[Vision2020] Steven J. Sitler
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sat May 12 12:21:04 PDT 2007
Hmmm........imagine that. Donovan thinks something is "inappropriate" and
demands an apology from said "offender". Not something you'd expect from an
AS "sufferer".
J :]
>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>, "'Glenn Schwaller'"
><vpschwaller at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steven J. Sitler
>Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:55:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Mr. Hansen,
>
> I am sure that Mr. Schwaller and most other V2020 readers are aware that
>you were attempting to challenge Mr. Wilson to be accountable for his
>words. However, that desire, and your hatred should not include, joking or
>not, a public challenge that would place a particular identifiable child in
>great harm from a sex offender.
>
> I don't think it is funny, not one bit. It is not acceptable to me to
>joke about a child being harmed in any matter. Your hatred of Doug Wilson
>has truly clouded your judgment to the point you find this behavior
>acceptable. This is shocking, because I know if someone suggested doing
>such a harmful thing to one of your loved ones you would be threatening
>legal action at this point.
>
> Please think about it for a moment--and retract you approval of this
>suggestion as being acceptable, even as a joke, or to prove any point
>against Mr. Wilson. Does your thirst and quest for his humiliation run so
>deep you think it OK to joke about putting children in harm's way?--Please
>rethink your attitude.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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> Mr. Schwaller –
>
> For the sake of setting the record (as well as my intentions) straight
>and as my final commentary concerning your response, the purpose behind my
>support for Wayne’ suggestion was solely to encourage Doug Wilson to stand
>behind his words (an act I have yet to experience from him).
>
> Having said that, I apologize for your failure in understanding my
>intention. Perhaps the theme of my previous dozen or so postings was
>insufficiently clear to you.
>
> If you find my apology lacking in any attribute, so be it. We are all
>big boys and girls.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> “Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a
>Level-3 sex offender.”
>
>- Dale “Comb-Over” Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwaller
>Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:07 AM
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steven J. Sitler
>
>
>
>Thank you Ms Lund for also seeing the heinous fallacy of Mr. Fox's post.
>As I pointed out in a previous post, Mr Hansen also agreed with Mr Fox, and
> I think both need to be called on the carpet for their stand - be it
>sarcastic or not, and both should apologize to the viewers and contributors
>of this site.
>
>
> I would note that even Mr Sitler was responsible enough to stand in open
>court and apologize for his actions. Yes, it may very well have been self
>serving of him
> to do so, but nonetheless he did apologize. As of this post, I don't
>see where neither Mr Fox nor Mr Hansen has done so.
>
>
>
> I would say again, to both of you "Shame on you." And shame on any
>others who even for a minute thought the suggestion of Mr Sitler boarding
>with Mr Wilson's grandchildren
> "an excellent suggestion."
>
>
>
> Ms Lund writes "I don't know that I have expressed this well . . ."
>
> Ms Lund, no one could have expressed it better.
>
> Thank you
>
> Schwaller
>
>
> On 5/11/07, Saundra Lund <sslund at
>
>roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> OK, I get the sarcasm in your post.
>
> However, your post ***really*** bothers me, so I'm going to speak up.
>
> I just don't think it EVER appropriate to suggest putting children in
>harm's
>
>
> way just to prove a point, sarcasm or not.
>
> The children you reference have done NOTHING to deserve such treatment,
>and
> it is deeply offensive to me that you bring the these precious beings up
>to
> make a point. As probably most here know, I think children deserve to
>be
>
>
> completely OFF LIMITS as "targets" here on the Viz, and your post is one
>of
> the most offensive I've read here. The children to whom you refer --
>along
> with every single child in our community -- are our future, and to
>suggest
>
>
> deliberately putting these innocents in harm's way is indefensible,
>IMHO.
>
> Just for the record, I'll disclose that except for the newest addition,
>I've
> met & spent time with the truly delightful children you've dragged into
>
>
> this. But, even if I hadn't, I'd be just as . . . disgusted.
>
> Please, please, PLEASE LEAVE individual CHILDREN OUT of this discussion,
>a
> discussion we wouldn't be having were it not for the fact that Steven J.
>
>
> Sitler, a serial child predator who has already victimized far too many
> children in this country, came to our community.
>
> Discuss Sitler; discuss his crimes; discuss the failure (IMHO) of the
> judicial system; discuss the failure of our newspapers; discuss why
>Sitler
>
>
> came here; discuss the failure of Christ Church to warn our community
>once
> his crimes were known by the church hierarchy; discuss the failure of
>the
> Christ Church community warn the rest of us once they knew; discuss the
>
>
> problem of child sexual abuse in general or in our community, region,
>state,
> nation, world.
>
> I don't know that I've expressed this well, but your post crosses a line
>for
> me, Wayne . . . a line I hope to never again see crossed here on V2020.
>
>
>
> Some, no doubt, will ask the trite question, "By whose standards?!?"
>
> My response to those who will lack the courage to ask the question here
>is,
> "If you have to ask that question about this subject, you are already a
>lost
>
>
> soul for whom I'll pray."
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>do
> nothing.
> - Edmund Burke
>
> On 5/12/07, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Steven James Sitler is now listed (and registered) as a sex offender in
>the
>state of Idaho.
>
>http://isp.state.id.us/so_viewer/showSO.do?nic=SX06787
>
>As such I will not be distributing posters detailing his conviction,
>sentence, and subsequent release as a sex offender.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>"Uh, how about a 1-strike law. Death doesn't seem too extreme for a Level-3
>sex offender."
>
>- Dale "Comb-Over" Courtney (August 3, 2005)
>
>
>
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