[Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in Moscow?

Sun May 6 17:38:18 PDT 2007

Saundra,

  You wrote: 
  "Hmm . . . Donovan, while your conclusion may be valid, your data is
flawed . . ."

  While I am pleased that I don't meet your definition of a reasonable person, my interpretation of the above statement is an agreement on the conclusion. If it isn't, perhaps you can explain the sentence. 

  Second, I agreed with you that parts of the information I presented was flawed and explained how I arrived at that information. So to say I am covering it up, is a flat out lie on your part.

  Finally, for you to attack my data set by trying to disprove it by using an 8- 9 year old data set is rather disingenuous to say the least. 

  Best,

  Donovan

Saundra Lund <sslund at roadrunner.com> wrote:
  Donovan,

In part, you wrote:
"Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least
affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country."

Uh . . . no, absolutely not, Donovan, wherever did you get such a screwy
idea??? It really is slimy of you to say such a thing & shows that you'll
stop at nothing -- including misrepresenting facts, relying on flawed data,
and flat-out making things up -- to make whatever point you want to make
here. Just to be perfectly clear for you, no *reasonable* person would read
my very limited response to you and conclude you and I "arrive at the same
conclusions that Moscow housing is least affordable in comparisons to most
other cities around the country."

I responded to your initial post because I thought perhaps your errors were
genuine rather than calculated. I can see now that I was wrong.

I'll leave it to others willing to actually *use* their critical thinking
skills to see the flaws in the rest of your post. I'm done -- I have no
interest in continuing this discussion with you, who will stoop lower than
low to make your fabricated point on this.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in Moscow?

Saundra,

Thanks for the response. You are correct that my conclusions were correct
but some of my information was flawed. However, so is the data of the
sources that you cited:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho

That data was taken from:

http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf
http://censtats.census.gov/data/ID/1601654550.pdf

That data was gathered in 1999, or 8 years ago!

If you examine the data of:
http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf

Look at the average (mode) income (not medium) and adjust for 8 years of
inflation, you will find an average income (mode) of about $65,000-$70,000
per household. 

Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least
affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country. 

Best,

Donovan

Hmm . . . Donovan, while your conclusion may be valid, your data is
flawed
because you're comparing apples & oranges. As you know, you've
jumped on
people when you've thought they made the same mistake :-)

In addition, please cite your source for your data that the average
household income in Orlando is $70,000 -- that's about DOUBLE what
the US
census indicates.

It seems to me you either need to compare Moscow to Orlando (both
county
seats, BTW) or Latah County to Orange County. Instead, you've
compared
Latah County to Orlando.

For those interested in the accurate comparison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho
"The median income for a household in the county was $32,524, and
the median
income for a family was $46,303. Males had a median income of
$34,734 versus
$24,886 for females. The per capita income for the county was
$16,690. About
7.90% of families and 16.70% of the population were below the
poverty line,
including 10.20% of those under age 18 and 5.40% of those age 65 or
over."

AND
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida
"The median income for a household in the county was $41,311, and
the median
income for a family was $47,159. Males had a median income of
$32,053 versus
$25,402 for females. The per capita income for the county was
$20,916. About
8.80% of families and 12.10% of the population were below the
poverty line,
including 16.30% of those under age 18 and 9.30% of those age 65 or
over."

OR

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Idaho
"The median income for a household in the city was $26,884, and the
median
income for a family was $46,331. Males had a median income of
$35,494 versus
$24,560 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,930.
About
9.5% of families and 22.4% of the population were below the poverty
line,
including 8.2% of those under age 18 and 4.5% of those age 65 or
over."

AND
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando,_Florida
"The median income for a household in the city was $35,732, and the
median
income for a family was $40,648. Males had a median income of
$30,866 versus
$25,267 for females. The per capita income for the city was $21,216.
About
13.3% of families and 15.9% of the population were below the poverty
line,
including 27.0% of those under age 18 and 12.6% of those age 65 or
over."

HTH,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside
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-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:29 AM
To: Tom Hansen; Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in
Moscow?

Latah's average household income is about $30K a year. In Orlando it
is
about $70K. So this house is actually more affordable to the people
of
Orlando than a Moscow house is to the people in Moscow.

Best,

Donovan

Tom Hansen wrote:

Open House in America
http://www.parade.com/WAL/slideshow/open-house-01.html

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

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