<DIV>Saundra,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You wrote: </DIV> <DIV>"Hmm . . . Donovan, <FONT color=#00007f><U>while your conclusion may be valid</U></FONT>, your data is<BR>flawed . . ."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While I am pleased that I don't meet your definition of a reasonable person, my interpretation of the above statement is an agreement on the conclusion. If it isn't, perhaps you can explain the sentence. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second, I agreed with you that parts of the information I presented was flawed and explained how I arrived at that information. So to say I am covering it up, is a flat out lie on your part.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, for you to attack my data set by trying to disprove it by using an 8- 9 year old data set is rather disingenuous to say the least. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Saundra Lund <sslund@roadrunner.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan,<BR><BR>In part, you wrote:<BR>"Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least<BR>affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country."<BR><BR>Uh . . . no, absolutely not, Donovan, wherever did you get such a screwy<BR>idea??? It really is slimy of you to say such a thing & shows that you'll<BR>stop at nothing -- including misrepresenting facts, relying on flawed data,<BR>and flat-out making things up -- to make whatever point you want to make<BR>here. Just to be perfectly clear for you, no *reasonable* person would read<BR>my very limited response to you and conclude you and I "arrive at the same<BR>conclusions that Moscow housing is least affordable in comparisons to most<BR>other cities around the country."<BR><BR>I responded to your initial post because I thought perhaps your errors were<BR>genuine
rather than calculated. I can see now that I was wrong.<BR><BR>I'll leave it to others willing to actually *use* their critical thinking<BR>skills to see the flaws in the rest of your post. I'm done -- I have no<BR>interest in continuing this discussion with you, who will stoop lower than<BR>low to make your fabricated point on this.<BR><BR><BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through life plus<BR>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside<BR>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<BR>author.*****<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com] <BR>Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:00 PM<BR>To: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in
Moscow?<BR><BR>Saundra,<BR><BR>Thanks for the response. You are correct that my conclusions were correct<BR>but some of my information was flawed. However, so is the data of the<BR>sources that you cited:<BR><BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida<BR><BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho<BR><BR><BR>That data was taken from:<BR><BR>http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf<BR>http://censtats.census.gov/data/ID/1601654550.pdf<BR><BR>That data was gathered in 1999, or 8 years ago!<BR><BR>If you examine the data of:<BR>http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf<BR><BR>Look at the average (mode) income (not medium) and adjust for 8 years of<BR>inflation, you will find an average income (mode) of about $65,000-$70,000<BR>per household. <BR><BR>Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least<BR>affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country. <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Hmm . . .
Donovan, while your conclusion may be valid, your data is<BR>flawed<BR>because you're comparing apples & oranges. As you know, you've<BR>jumped on<BR>people when you've thought they made the same mistake :-)<BR><BR>In addition, please cite your source for your data that the average<BR>household income in Orlando is $70,000 -- that's about DOUBLE what<BR>the US<BR>census indicates.<BR><BR>It seems to me you either need to compare Moscow to Orlando (both<BR>county<BR>seats, BTW) or Latah County to Orange County. Instead, you've<BR>compared<BR>Latah County to Orlando.<BR><BR>For those interested in the accurate comparison:<BR><BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho<BR>"The median income for a household in the county was $32,524, and<BR>the median<BR>income for a family was $46,303. Males had a median income of<BR>$34,734 versus<BR>$24,886 for females. The per capita income for the county was<BR>$16,690. About<BR>7.90% of families and 16.70% of the population
were below the<BR>poverty line,<BR>including 10.20% of those under age 18 and 5.40% of those age 65 or<BR>over."<BR><BR>AND<BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida<BR>"The median income for a household in the county was $41,311, and<BR>the median<BR>income for a family was $47,159. Males had a median income of<BR>$32,053 versus<BR>$25,402 for females. The per capita income for the county was<BR>$20,916. About<BR>8.80% of families and 12.10% of the population were below the<BR>poverty line,<BR>including 16.30% of those under age 18 and 9.30% of those age 65 or<BR>over."<BR><BR>OR<BR><BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Idaho<BR>"The median income for a household in the city was $26,884, and the<BR>median<BR>income for a family was $46,331. Males had a median income of<BR>$35,494 versus<BR>$24,560 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,930.<BR>About<BR>9.5% of families and 22.4% of the population were below the
poverty<BR>line,<BR>including 8.2% of those under age 18 and 4.5% of those age 65 or<BR>over."<BR><BR>AND<BR>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando,_Florida<BR>"The median income for a household in the city was $35,732, and the<BR>median<BR>income for a family was $40,648. Males had a median income of<BR>$30,866 versus<BR>$25,267 for females. The per capita income for the city was $21,216.<BR>About<BR>13.3% of families and 15.9% of the population were below the poverty<BR>line,<BR>including 27.0% of those under age 18 and 12.6% of those age 65 or<BR>over."<BR><BR><BR>HTH,<BR>Saundra Lund<BR>Moscow, ID<BR><BR>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people<BR>to do<BR>nothing.<BR>- Edmund Burke<BR><BR>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through<BR>life plus<BR>70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce<BR>outside<BR>the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
the<BR>author.*****<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold<BR>Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:29 AM<BR>To: Tom Hansen; Vision 2020<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in<BR>Moscow?<BR><BR>Latah's average household income is about $30K a year. In Orlando it<BR>is<BR>about $70K. So this house is actually more affordable to the people<BR>of<BR>Orlando than a Moscow house is to the people in Moscow.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Tom Hansen wrote:<BR><BR>Open House in America<BR>http://www.parade.com/WAL/slideshow/open-house-01.html<BR><BR>Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net
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