[Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in Moscow?

Sun May 6 14:40:37 PDT 2007

Donovan,

In part, you wrote:
"Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least
affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country."

Uh . . . no, absolutely not, Donovan, wherever did you get such a screwy
idea???  It really is slimy of you to say such a thing & shows that you'll
stop at nothing -- including misrepresenting facts, relying on flawed data,
and flat-out making things up -- to make whatever point you want to make
here.  Just to be perfectly clear for you, no *reasonable* person would read
my very limited response to you and conclude you and I "arrive at the same
conclusions that Moscow housing is least affordable in comparisons to most
other cities around the country."

I responded to your initial post because I thought perhaps your errors were
genuine rather than calculated.  I can see now that I was wrong.

I'll leave it to others willing to actually *use* their critical thinking
skills to see the flaws in the rest of your post.  I'm done -- I have no
interest in continuing this discussion with you, who will stoop lower than
low to make your fabricated point on this.

Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

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-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in Moscow?

Saundra,

Thanks for the response. You are correct that my conclusions were correct
but some of my information was flawed. However, so is the data of the
sources that you cited:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho

That data was taken from:

http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf
http://censtats.census.gov/data/ID/1601654550.pdf

That data was gathered in 1999, or 8 years ago!

If you examine the data of:
http://censtats.census.gov/data/FL/390125960.pdf

Look at the average (mode) income (not medium) and adjust for 8 years of
inflation, you will find an average income (mode) of about $65,000-$70,000
per household. 

Nonetheless, we arrive at the same conclusions that Moscow housing is least
affordable in comparisons to most other cities around the country. 

Best,

Donovan

	Hmm . . . Donovan, while your conclusion may be valid, your data is
flawed
	because you're comparing apples & oranges. As you know, you've
jumped on
	people when you've thought they made the same mistake :-)

	In addition, please cite your source for your data that the average
	household income in Orlando is $70,000 -- that's about DOUBLE what
the US
	census indicates.

	It seems to me you either need to compare Moscow to Orlando (both
county
	seats, BTW) or Latah County to Orange County. Instead, you've
compared
	Latah County to Orlando.

	For those interested in the accurate comparison:

	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latah_County,_Idaho
	"The median income for a household in the county was $32,524, and
the median
	income for a family was $46,303. Males had a median income of
$34,734 versus
	$24,886 for females. The per capita income for the county was
$16,690. About
	7.90% of families and 16.70% of the population were below the
poverty line,
	including 10.20% of those under age 18 and 5.40% of those age 65 or
over."

	AND
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Florida
	"The median income for a household in the county was $41,311, and
the median
	income for a family was $47,159. Males had a median income of
$32,053 versus
	$25,402 for females. The per capita income for the county was
$20,916. About
	8.80% of families and 12.10% of the population were below the
poverty line,
	including 16.30% of those under age 18 and 9.30% of those age 65 or
over."

	OR

	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_Idaho
	"The median income for a household in the city was $26,884, and the
median
	income for a family was $46,331. Males had a median income of
$35,494 versus
	$24,560 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,930.
About
	9.5% of families and 22.4% of the population were below the poverty
line,
	including 8.2% of those under age 18 and 4.5% of those age 65 or
over."

	AND
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando,_Florida
	"The median income for a household in the city was $35,732, and the
median
	income for a family was $40,648. Males had a median income of
$30,866 versus
	$25,267 for females. The per capita income for the city was $21,216.
About
	13.3% of families and 15.9% of the population were below the poverty
line,
	including 27.0% of those under age 18 and 12.6% of those age 65 or
over."

	HTH,
	Saundra Lund
	Moscow, ID

	The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do
	nothing.
	- Edmund Burke

	***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2006 through
life plus
	70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside
	the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
	author.*****

	-----Original Message-----
	From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
	On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
	Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:29 AM
	To: Tom Hansen; Vision 2020
	Subject: Re: [Vision2020] So You Think Houses are Expensive in
Moscow?

	Latah's average household income is about $30K a year. In Orlando it
is
	about $70K. So this house is actually more affordable to the people
of
	Orlando than a Moscow house is to the people in Moscow.

	Best,

	Donovan

	Tom Hansen wrote:

	Open House in America
	http://www.parade.com/WAL/slideshow/open-house-01.html

	Seeya round town, Moscow.

	Tom Hansen
	Moscow, Idaho

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