[Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
Warren Hayman
whayman at adelphia.net
Wed Jun 20 08:03:22 PDT 2007
I don't think I have ever fully and simultaneously agreed with both Crabtree and Livingston. I certainly do on this one.
Warren Hayman
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From: jeanlivingston
To: g. crabtree ; Debbie Gray ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
Frankly, when people start attacking Sgt. Phil Gray, falsely and without basis in fact, especially when the complainant doesn't even have the law enforcement job description right, it really is nauseating. Probation and Parole monitors compliance with conditions of probation. Phil does things like putting his life at risk, coming in from off-duty and with his own vehicle placing himself in the field of fire of a maddened sniper, twice, so he can rescue downed fellow officers, dying and wounded, and get them out of the field of fire.
I agree that some people's obsession with Sitler's whereabouts certainly seems to have less to do with broad-based community concerns and more to do with how to embarrass a church for the shortcomings they perceive in its pastor. I sense that many have grown weary of the continuing, Sitler-based, attacks on the church itself, but when you start throwing verbal napalm beyond that primary target to others, your insen! sitivity and indiscrimination causes you to lose whatever credibility you might have had with whatever remaining folks were still listening. Once you have lost the moral high ground with these intemperate, ill-advised attacks, your audience and ability to influence the rest of the community is lost.
Bruce Livingston
-----Original message-----
From: "g. crabtree" jampot at adelphia.net
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:58:25 -0700
To: "Debbie Gray" graylex at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orange jumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
> Very well put. I've often tried to point out the rank hypocrisy of "Ford" and her many anti-CC friends on this forum in the past but never as well as you just did, Thank you. Also, I know how stressful it is when fools (or a particular fool in this case) make remarks that call for an end to ones livelihood because you wont get on bo! ard with their jihad. Please know that no one with an actual functioning cortex wants to see anyone from your household deprived of employment or happiness.
>
> My best to you and your family,
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debbie Gray"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orange jumpsuit: Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>
>
> Dear JFord (or may I call you Jackie?)
>
> As the spouse of the Sheriff's Deputy you vilify
> below, I am, frankly, enraged and nauseated by your
> ignorant, paranoid remarks about his "duty" to
> participate in your ridiculous witch hunt against
> Steven Sitler.
>
> JFord writes: "Since it has come as some kind of
> surprise as to where Sitler was living - at lea! st a
> surprise to his neighbors - and since we can't seem to
> get the Sheriff's cooperation in letting their own
> neighbors know when one of them moves in next door..."
>
>
> "And how about the fact that a Sheriff's Deputy,
> living in the same neighborhood as Sitler DID NOTHING
> TO WARN THE OTHER RESIDENTS NOR THE DA NOR THE
> SHERIFF'S OFFICE that Sitler may be in violation of
> his parole conditions. THERE's someone that need to
> have his job yanked!"
>
> Who is this "we" of which you speak? Is there a
> neighborhood watch group I should be introduced to
> (Citizen Advocates for Christ Church Arrests. CACCA)?
> And do remind me again where you live, because I don't
> recall meeting you during the past 10 years I've lived
> in this neighborhood.
>
> Do you know how my husband found out Sit! ler moved in 5
> houses down from us? I told him. How did I find out?
> By checking the Idaho State Registered Sex Offender
> List. Because that's what it's FOR. To provide
> information accessible to all. He doesn't get secret
> missives tracking the location and activity of every
> known criminal / registered sex offender / etc. We
> have told several of our neighbors since we found out
> but, unlike YOU, weren't compelled to canvas the
> neighborhood spreading the word about one person in
> particular based on your hatred of the church he
> attended. That seems fairly hypocritical, too, given
> that there are a few other registered sex offenders
> living in this same neighborhood (see for example:
> Buckingham, Robert, 595 W C St., let's see that on the
> map). Where is the outcry and uproar about this person
> and his proximity to West Park and the
&! gt; Almon-Asbury-Lieuellan Park? (Hint, he's closer to
> both than Sitler was.) He's lived here for a while,
> but I haven't seen you in the neighborhood stalking
> him or heard of you harassing the DA, probation
> office, etc about him.
>
> Your motives are so incredibly transparent here and
> yet you claim to want only to protect the children.
> Whatever. What about all the registered sex offenders
> in this county? Not a peep on Vision2020 about any of
> them until Christ Church was involved.
>
> Bill Thompson stated that the location of Sitler's
> residence is not in violation of his parole. His
> actions are what triggered his parole violation. How
> many other individuals have violated their probation
> or parole guidelines in the past month and for what
> crimes are they on p/p for? Oh, not keeping track of
> anyone else, righ! t? My bad.
>
> And now not only do I have to worry about Mr. Sitler
> and his voyeurism, I can now worry about your
> psychotic stalking behavior. How is it that you know a
> sheriff's deputy lives in this neighborhood? What have
> you been doing in this neighborhood? We're surrounded
> by several dead end streets, it's NOT a neighborhood
> that people just happen to drive by unless they're
> here for a reason (stalking, harassment, snooping,
> surveillance, mentally unstable behaviors of all
> varieties). Frankly, your comments are creeping me out
> more than the fact that Steven Sitler lived 5 houses
> away from us.
>
> As for whether the sheriff's office or other law
> enforcement people or judges or attorneys must alert
> their neighborhood to every criminal that moves in.I
> didn't realize it was in the scope of their work to
> review the terms and conditions of each and every
> probation and parole client in order to determine
> whether there is or MAY BE a violation. In fact, it is
> not. That would be the job of let's call it 'probation
> and parole.' There are hundreds of people in this
> town / county who've served time in jail, been
> arrested, been convicted, etc of a variety of crimes.
> Why are you limiting your outcry to one particular
> person? What makes this ONE potential probationer
> unique to you? Hmmmmm. Could it be?? His affiliation
> with Christ Church??
>
> And ignoring all your other > ignorant because I can't think of any more>
> accusations and outcries, demanding that my husband
> lose his job for his failure to "WARN THE OTHER
> RESIDENTS NOR THE DA NOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE that
> Sitler may be in violation of his parole conditions"
> is so ridiculously idiotic that you have almost left
> me speechless.
>
> Of all the things that our local law enforcement
> officers have dealt with in the past 30 days ALONE,
> and especially my husband because I know exactly what
> he HAS being dealing with and you have the
> self-centered, twisted, hate-filled SICK mind to want
> him fired for .. WHAT? What, exactly was he supposed
> to do in order to fulfill your fantasy needs of law
> enforcement services AS APPLIED TO THE NARROW CONFINES
> OF PEOPLE WHO HATE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST CHURCH.
>
> Perhaps it would be best for you to return to your
> residence, put the tinfoil back on your windows and
> shut your mouth. You're not doing this for the
> children. You're on a hate-motivated witch hunt and it
> and you are disgusting.
>
> Debbi! e Gray
>
>
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