[Vision2020] Sitler wore aKirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear

Carl Westberg carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 20 08:18:03 PDT 2007


Ditto, Warren.  I have known Phil and Debbie for years (though they may not 
want to admit that), and we are more than fortunate to have a man of Phil's 
character serving us.  Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: "Warren Hayman" <whayman at adelphia.net>
>To: "jeanlivingston" <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>,        "g. crabtree" 
><jampot at adelphia.net>, "Debbie Gray" <graylex at yahoo.com>,        
><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore 
>aKirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:03:22 -0700
>
>I don't think I have ever fully and simultaneously agreed with both 
>Crabtree and Livingston. I certainly do on this one.
>
>Warren Hayman
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jeanlivingston
>   To: g. crabtree ; Debbie Gray ; vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:27 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a 
>Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>
>
>   Frankly, when people start attacking Sgt. Phil Gray, falsely and without 
>basis in fact, especially when the complainant doesn't even have the law 
>enforcement job description right, it really is nauseating.  Probation and 
>Parole monitors compliance with conditions of probation.  Phil does things 
>like putting his life at risk, coming in from off-duty and with his own 
>vehicle placing himself in the field of fire of a maddened sniper, twice, 
>so he can rescue downed fellow officers, dying and wounded, and get them 
>out of the field of fire.
>
>
>   I agree that some people's obsession with Sitler's whereabouts certainly 
>seems to have less to do with broad-based community concerns and more to do 
>with how to embarrass a church for the shortcomings they perceive in its 
>pastor.  I sense that many have grown weary of the continuing, 
>Sitler-based, attacks on the church itself, but when you start throwing 
>verbal napalm beyond that primary target to others, your insen! sitivity 
>and indiscrimination causes you to lose whatever credibility you might have 
>had with whatever remaining folks were still listening.  Once you have lost 
>the moral high ground with these intemperate, ill-advised attacks, your 
>audience and ability to influence the rest of the community is lost.
>
>
>   Bruce Livingston
>
>
>    -----Original message-----
>   From: "g. crabtree" jampot at adelphia.net
>   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:58:25 -0700
>   To: "Debbie Gray" graylex at yahoo.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orange 
>jumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>
>   > Very well put. I've often tried to point out the rank hypocrisy of 
>"Ford" and her many anti-CC friends on this forum in the past but never as 
>well as you just did, Thank you. Also, I know how stressful it is when 
>fools (or a particular fool in this case) make remarks that call for an end 
>to ones livelihood because you wont get on bo! ard with their jihad. Please 
>know that no one with an actual functioning cortex wants to see anyone from 
>your household deprived of employment or happiness.
>   >
>   > My best to you and your family,
>   > g
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Debbie Gray"
>   > To:
>   > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:37 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a Kirk-orange jumpsuit: 
>Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear
>   >
>   >
>   > Dear JFord (or may I call you Jackie?)
>   >
>   > As the spouse of the Sheriff's Deputy you vilify
>   > below, I am, frankly, enraged and nauseated by your
>   > ignorant, paranoid remarks about his "duty" to
>   > participate in your ridiculous witch hunt against
>   > Steven Sitler.
>   >
>   > JFord writes: "Since it has come as some kind of
>   > surprise as to where Sitler was living - at lea! st a
>   > surprise to his neighbors - and since we can't seem to
>   > get the Sheriff's cooperation in letting their own
>   > neighbors know when one of them moves in next door..."
>   >
>   >
>   > "And how about the fact that a Sheriff's Deputy,
>   > living in the same neighborhood as Sitler DID NOTHING
>   > TO WARN THE OTHER RESIDENTS NOR THE DA NOR THE
>   > SHERIFF'S OFFICE that Sitler may be in violation of
>   > his parole conditions. THERE's someone that need to
>   > have his job yanked!"
>   >
>   > Who is this "we" of which you speak? Is there a
>   > neighborhood watch group I should be introduced to
>   > (Citizen Advocates for Christ Church Arrests. CACCA)?
>   > And do remind me again where you live, because I don't
>   > recall meeting you during the past 10 years I've lived
>   > in this neighborhood.
>   >
>   > Do you know how my husband found out Sit! ler moved in 5
>   > houses down from us? I told him. How did I find out?
>   > By checking the Idaho State Registered Sex Offender
>   > List. Because that's what it's FOR. To provide
>   > information accessible to all. He doesn't get secret
>   > missives tracking the location and activity of every
>   > known criminal / registered sex offender / etc. We
>   > have told several of our neighbors since we found out
>   > but, unlike YOU, weren't compelled to canvas the
>   > neighborhood spreading the word about one person in
>   > particular based on your hatred of the church he
>   > attended. That seems fairly hypocritical, too, given
>   > that there are a few other registered sex offenders
>   > living in this same neighborhood (see for example:
>   > Buckingham, Robert, 595 W C St., let's see that on the
>   > map). Where is the outcry and uproar about this person
>   > and his proximity to West Park and the
>   &! gt; Almon-Asbury-Lieuellan Park? (Hint, he's closer to
>   > both than Sitler was.) He's lived here for a while,
>   > but I haven't seen you in the neighborhood stalking
>   > him or heard of you harassing the DA, probation
>   > office, etc about him.
>   >
>   > Your motives are so incredibly transparent here and
>   > yet you claim to want only to protect the children.
>   > Whatever. What about all the registered sex offenders
>   > in this county? Not a peep on Vision2020 about any of
>   > them until Christ Church was involved.
>   >
>   > Bill Thompson stated that the location of Sitler's
>   > residence is not in violation of his parole. His
>   > actions are what triggered his parole violation. How
>   > many other individuals have violated their probation
>   > or parole guidelines in the past month and for what
>   > crimes are they on p/p for? Oh, not keeping track of
>   > anyone else, righ! t? My bad.
>   >
>   > And now not only do I have to worry about Mr. Sitler
>   > and his voyeurism, I can now worry about your
>   > psychotic stalking behavior. How is it that you know a
>   > sheriff's deputy lives in this neighborhood? What have
>   > you been doing in this neighborhood? We're surrounded
>   > by several dead end streets, it's NOT a neighborhood
>   > that people just happen to drive by unless they're
>   > here for a reason (stalking, harassment, snooping,
>   > surveillance, mentally unstable behaviors of all
>   > varieties). Frankly, your comments are creeping me out
>   > more than the fact that Steven Sitler lived 5 houses
>   > away from us.
>   >
>   > As for whether the sheriff's office or other law
>   > enforcement people or judges or attorneys must alert
>   > their neighborhood to every criminal that moves in.I
>   > didn't realize it was in the scope of their work to
>   > review the terms and conditions of each and every
>   > probation and parole client in order to determine
>   > whether there is or MAY BE a violation. In fact, it is
>   > not. That would be the job of let's call it 'probation
>   > and parole.' There are hundreds of people in this
>   > town / county who've served time in jail, been
>   > arrested, been convicted, etc of a variety of crimes.
>   > Why are you limiting your outcry to one particular
>   > person? What makes this ONE potential probationer
>   > unique to you? Hmmmmm. Could it be?? His affiliation
>   > with Christ Church??
>   >
>   > And ignoring all your other > ignorant because I can't think of any 
>more>
>   > accusations and outcries, demanding that my husband
>   > lose his job for his failure to "WARN THE OTHER
>   > RESIDENTS NOR THE DA NOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE that
>   > Sitler may be in violation of his parole conditions"
>   > is so ridiculously idiotic that you have almost left
>   > me speechless.
>   >
>   > Of all the things that our local law enforcement
>   > officers have dealt with in the past 30 days ALONE,
>   > and especially my husband because I know exactly what
>   > he HAS being dealing with and you have the
>   > self-centered, twisted, hate-filled SICK mind to want
>   > him fired for .. WHAT? What, exactly was he supposed
>   > to do in order to fulfill your fantasy needs of law
>   > enforcement services AS APPLIED TO THE NARROW CONFINES
>   > OF PEOPLE WHO HATE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST CHURCH.
>   >
>   > Perhaps it would be best for you to return to your
>   > residence, put the tinfoil back on your windows and
>   > shut your mouth. You're not doing this for the
>   > children. You're on a hate-motivated witch hunt and it
>   > and you are disgusting.
>   >
>   > Debbi! e Gray
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > 
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