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<DIV><FONT size=2>I don't think I have ever fully and simultaneously agreed with
both Crabtree and Livingston. I certainly do on this one.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Warren Hayman</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">jeanlivingston</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A title=graylex@yahoo.com
href="mailto:graylex@yahoo.com">Debbie Gray</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:27
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Sitler wore a
Kirk-orangejumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear</DIV>
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<P>Frankly, when people start attacking Sgt. Phil Gray, falsely and without
basis in fact, especially when the complainant doesn't even have the law
enforcement job description right, it really is nauseating.
Probation and Parole monitors compliance with conditions of
probation. Phil does things like putting his life at risk, coming
in from off-duty and with his own vehicle placing himself in
the field of fire of a maddened sniper, twice, so he can rescue downed
fellow officers, dying and wounded, and get them out of the field of
fire. </P>
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<P>I agree that some people's obsession with Sitler's whereabouts certainly
seems to have less to do with broad-based community concerns and more to do
with how to embarrass a church for the shortcomings they perceive
in its pastor. I sense that many have grown weary of the
continuing, Sitler-based, attacks on the church itself, but when you start
throwing verbal napalm beyond that primary target to others, your insen!
sitivity and indiscrimination causes you to lose whatever credibility you
might have had with whatever remaining folks were still
listening. Once you have lost the moral high ground with these
intemperate, ill-advised attacks, your audience and ability to influence the
rest of the community is lost.</P>
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<P>Bruce Livingston</P>
<P><BR> -----Original message-----<BR>From: "g. crabtree"
jampot@adelphia.net<BR>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:58:25 -0700<BR>To: "Debbie
Gray" graylex@yahoo.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Sitler wore a Kirk-orange jumpsuit:Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear<BR><BR>> Very
well put. I've often tried to point out the rank hypocrisy of "Ford" and her
many anti-CC friends on this forum in the past but never as well as you just
did, Thank you. Also, I know how stressful it is when fools (or a particular
fool in this case) make remarks that call for an end to ones livelihood
because you wont get on bo! ard with their jihad. Please know that no one with
an actual functioning cortex wants to see anyone from your household deprived
of employment or happiness.<BR>> <BR>> My best to you and your
family,<BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Debbie
Gray" <GRAYLEX@YAHOO.COM /><BR>> To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM /><BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:37 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sitler
wore a Kirk-orange jumpsuit: Mr.Schwallerdidnot appear<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Dear JFord (or may I call you Jackie?)<BR>> <BR>> As the spouse
of the Sheriff's Deputy you vilify<BR>> below, I am, frankly, enraged and
nauseated by your<BR>> ignorant, paranoid remarks about his "duty"
to<BR>> participate in your ridiculous witch hunt against<BR>> Steven
Sitler. <BR>> <BR>> JFord writes: "Since it has come as some kind
of<BR>> surprise as to where Sitler was living - at lea! st a<BR>>
surprise to his neighbors - and since we can't seem to<BR>> get the
Sheriff's cooperation in letting their own<BR>> neighbors know when one of
them moves in next door..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> "And how about the fact
that a Sheriff's Deputy,<BR>> living in the same neighborhood as Sitler DID
NOTHING<BR>> TO WARN THE OTHER RESIDENTS NOR THE DA NOR THE<BR>>
SHERIFF'S OFFICE that Sitler may be in violation of<BR>> his parole
conditions. THERE's someone that need to<BR>> have his job yanked!"<BR>>
<BR>> Who is this "we" of which you speak? Is there a<BR>> neighborhood
watch group I should be introduced to<BR>> (Citizen Advocates for Christ
Church Arrests. CACCA)?<BR>> And do remind me again where you live, because
I don't<BR>> recall meeting you during the past 10 years I've lived<BR>>
in this neighborhood. <BR>> <BR>> Do you know how my husband found out
Sit! ler moved in 5<BR>> houses down from us? I told him. How did I find
out?<BR>> By checking the Idaho State Registered Sex Offender<BR>> List.
Because that's what it's FOR. To provide<BR>> information accessible to
all. He doesn't get secret<BR>> missives tracking the location and activity
of every<BR>> known criminal / registered sex offender / etc. We<BR>>
have told several of our neighbors since we found out<BR>> but, unlike YOU,
weren't compelled to canvas the<BR>> neighborhood spreading the word about
one person in<BR>> particular based on your hatred of the church he<BR>>
attended. That seems fairly hypocritical, too, given<BR>> that there are a
few other registered sex offenders<BR>> living in this same neighborhood
(see for example:<BR>> Buckingham, Robert, 595 W C St., let's see that on
the<BR>> map). Where is the outcry and uproar about this person<BR>> and
his proximity to West Park and the<BR>&! gt; Almon-Asbury-Lieuellan Park?
(Hint, he's closer to<BR>> both than Sitler was.) He's lived here for a
while,<BR>> but I haven't seen you in the neighborhood stalking<BR>> him
or heard of you harassing the DA, probation<BR>> office, etc about him.
<BR>> <BR>> Your motives are so incredibly transparent here and<BR>>
yet you claim to want only to protect the children.<BR>> Whatever. What
about all the registered sex offenders<BR>> in this county? Not a peep on
Vision2020 about any of<BR>> them until Christ Church was involved.
<BR>> <BR>> Bill Thompson stated that the location of Sitler's<BR>>
residence is not in violation of his parole. His<BR>> actions are what
triggered his parole violation. How<BR>> many other individuals have
violated their probation<BR>> or parole guidelines in the past month and
for what<BR>> crimes are they on p/p for? Oh, not keeping track of<BR>>
anyone else, righ! t? My bad. <BR>> <BR>> And now not only do I have to
worry about Mr. Sitler<BR>> and his voyeurism, I can now worry about
your<BR>> psychotic stalking behavior. How is it that you know a<BR>>
sheriff's deputy lives in this neighborhood? What have<BR>> you been doing
in this neighborhood? We're surrounded<BR>> by several dead end streets,
it's NOT a neighborhood<BR>> that people just happen to drive by unless
they're<BR>> here for a reason (stalking, harassment, snooping,<BR>>
surveillance, mentally unstable behaviors of all<BR>> varieties). Frankly,
your comments are creeping me out<BR>> more than the fact that Steven
Sitler lived 5 houses<BR>> away from us. <BR>> <BR>> As for whether
the sheriff's office or other law<BR>> enforcement people or judges or
attorneys must alert<BR>> their neighborhood to every criminal that moves
in.I<BR>> didn't realize it was in the scope of their work to<BR !>>
review the terms and conditions of each and every<BR>> probation and parole
client in order to determine<BR>> whether there is or MAY BE a violation.
In fact, it is<BR>> not. That would be the job of let's call it
'probation<BR>> and parole.' There are hundreds of people in this<BR>>
town / county who've served time in jail, been<BR>> arrested, been
convicted, etc of a variety of crimes.<BR>> Why are you limiting your
outcry to one particular<BR>> person? What makes this ONE potential
probationer<BR>> unique to you? Hmmmmm. Could it be?? His
affiliation<BR>> with Christ Church?? <BR>> <BR>> And ignoring all
your other <INSERT />> ignorant because I can't think of any
more><BR>> accusations and outcries, demanding that my husband<BR>>
lose his job for his failure to "WARN THE OTHER<BR>> RESIDENTS NOR THE DA
NOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE that<BR>> Sitler may be in violation of his parole
conditions"<BR>> is so ridiculously idiotic that you have almost
left<BR>> me speechless. <BR>> <BR>> Of all the things that our local
law enforcement<BR>> officers have dealt with in the past 30 days
ALONE,<BR>> and especially my husband because I know exactly what<BR>>
he HAS being dealing with and you have the<BR>> self-centered, twisted,
hate-filled SICK mind to want<BR>> him fired for .. WHAT? What, exactly was
he supposed<BR>> to do in order to fulfill your fantasy needs of
law<BR>> enforcement services AS APPLIED TO THE NARROW CONFINES<BR>> OF
PEOPLE WHO HATE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST CHURCH.<BR>> <BR>> Perhaps it
would be best for you to return to your<BR>> residence, put the tinfoil
back on your windows and<BR>> shut your mouth. You're not doing this for
the<BR>> children. You're on a hate-motivated witch hunt and it<BR>> and
you are disgusting.<BR>> <BR>> Debbi! e Gray <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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