[Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!

[deb]

Or: Gaia, as the Earth,  exists. She nurtures growth and change. Species arise from Her and evolve. 
I'm with Ted. We don't KNOW. We religious/spiritual/agnostic folk guess, we believe (or question), we create gods in our image (or deconstruct other beliefs), and, it is to be hoped, all of us try to live up to some sort of spiritual decency and kindness to others. When it is said and done, we each may KNOW, but not many come back to tell the tale.....
Debi R-S
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kai Eiselein, editor 
  To: Ted Moffett ; Donovan Arnold 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Carl Westberg 
  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:29 PM
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  Christians: In the beginning, there was nothing, then God created the heavens and the Earth.
  (Some) Native Americans: Raven created the Earth.
  From China: Long, long ago, when heaven and earth were still one, the entire universe was contained in an egg-shaped cloud. All the matter of the universe swirled chaotically in that egg. Deep within the swirling matter was Pan Gu, a huge giant who grew in the chaos. For 18,000 years he developed and slept in the egg. Finally one day he awoke and stretched, and the egg broke to release the matter of the universe. The lighter purer elements drifted upwards to make the sky and heavens, and the heavier impure elements settled downwards to make the earth.
  Mossi (Africa):   In the beginning there was no earth, no day or night, and not even time itself. All that existed was the Kingdom of Everlasting Truth, which was ruled by the Naba Zid-Wendé. The Naba Zid-Wendé made the earth, and then they made the day and the night.
  From India: In the beginning there was absolutely nothing, and what existed was covered by death and hunger. He thought, "Let me have a self", and he created the mind. As he moved about in worship, water was generated. Froth formed on the water, and the froth eventually solidifed to become earth. He rested on the earth, and from his luminence came fire. After resting, he divided himself in three parts, and one is fire, one is the sun, and one is the air.
  Science: There was nothing.... and then it exploded.
  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, which is more rational?
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ted Moffett 
    To: Donovan Arnold 
    Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Carl Westberg 
    Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:50 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!



    Donovan et. al.

    I have heard your argument numerous times from various sources.  It is specious.

    Assuming we do not know for certain what God, the Goddess, Gods or Goddesses, or various other possible forms of supreme beings or powers, will regard as the correct way of thinking, it remains possible that being agnostic will be regarded by the supreme being, beings or powers in our universe, as the most laudable and rational response to the evidence based on reason.  Therefore agnostics may turn out to be the chosen people, and the so called "faithful" will be viewed in a less than favorable light for their blind allegiance to dogmatic doctrines that are not supported sufficiently by evidence or reason. 

    Ted Moffett

     
    On 5/31/07, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
      Carl,

      It is illogical to be agnostic. If you die, which you will, and there is in fact a God, you best have worshiped him. On the other, if there is no God, it won't count against you. 

      Best,

      Donovan


      keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
        And, as one of your Christian friends, I love you for that, Carl.

        No, wait -- I hate you.  I think.

        AAARRRRGGGHHHH!  It's so confusing -- who to hate, who to love, who to pray against, who to call "brother" or "sister,"  who to make fun of.  If only there were a guide . . . 

        keely

        > From: carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
        > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
        > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:13:26 -0700
        > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the religion of peace!
        > 
        > The repeated attempts by certain Christian folk to convince me that by the 
        > mere fact of being Muslim, one is evil, makes me all the more convinced that 
        > to remain an agnostic who has Muslims and Christians in his circle of 
        > friends is the right choice. Carl Westberg Jr.
        > 
        >


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