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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or: Gaia, as the Earth, exists. She nurtures
growth and change. Species arise from Her and evolve. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm with Ted. We don't KNOW. We
religious/spiritual/agnostic folk guess, we believe (or question), we create
gods in our image (or deconstruct other beliefs), and, it is to be hoped, all of
us try to live up to some sort of spiritual decency and kindness to others. When
it is said and done, we each may KNOW, but not many come back to tell the
tale.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Debi R-S</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=editor@lataheagle.com href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">Kai
Eiselein, editor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=starbliss@gmail.com
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 04, 2007 2:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up -
Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Christians: In the beginning, there was nothing, then God
created the heavens and the Earth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(Some) Native Americans: Raven created the
Earth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From China: Long, long ago, when heaven and earth were still
one, the entire universe was contained in an egg-shaped cloud. All the matter
of the universe swirled chaotically in that egg. Deep within the swirling
matter was Pan Gu, a huge giant who grew in the chaos. For 18,000 years he
developed and slept in the egg. Finally one day he awoke and stretched, and
the egg broke to release the matter of the universe. The lighter purer
elements drifted upwards to make the sky and heavens, and the heavier impure
elements settled downwards to make the earth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Mossi (Africa): </FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><FONT
size=2>In the beginning there was no earth, no day or night, and not even time
itself. All that existed was the Kingdom of Everlasting Truth, which was ruled
by the Naba Zid-Wendé. The Naba Zid-Wendé made the earth, and then they made
the day and the night.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>From India: </FONT><FONT size=2>In the beginning there
was absolutely nothing, and what existed was covered by death and hunger. He
thought, "Let me have a self", and he created the mind. As he moved about in
worship, water was generated. Froth formed on the water, and the froth
eventually solidifed to become earth. He rested on the earth, and from his
luminence came fire. After resting, he divided himself in three parts, and one
is fire, one is the sun, and one is the air.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Science: There was nothing.... and then it
exploded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, which is more rational?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted
Moffett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 04, 2007 2:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Follow up -
Islam the religion of peace!</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan et. al.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have heard your argument numerous times from various sources.
It is specious.</DIV>
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<DIV>Assuming we do not know for certain what God, the Goddess, Gods or
Goddesses, or various other possible forms of supreme beings or powers, will
regard as the correct way of thinking, it remains possible that being
agnostic will be regarded by the supreme being, beings or powers in our
universe, as the most laudable and rational response to the evidence based
on reason. Therefore agnostics may turn out to be the chosen people,
and the so called "faithful" will be viewed in a less than favorable light
for their blind allegiance to dogmatic doctrines that are not supported
sufficiently by evidence or reason. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted Moffett<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 5/31/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Donovan
Arnold</B> <<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV>Carl,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is illogical to be agnostic. If you die, which you will, and there
is in fact a God, you best have worshiped him. On the other, if there is
no God, it won't count against you. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>keely emerinemix <<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"
target=_blank>kjajmix1@msn.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_112e4dcd2f83e2ab_3>And, as one of your Christian
friends, I love you for that, Carl.<BR><BR>No, wait -- I hate you.
I think.<BR><BR>AAARRRRGGGHHHH! It's so confusing -- who to hate,
who to love, who to pray against, who to call "brother" or
"sister," who to make fun of. If only there were a guide . .
. <BR><BR>keely<BR><BR>> From: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</A><BR>> To: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007
17:13:26 -0700<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Follow up - Islam the
religion of peace!<BR>> <BR>> The repeated attempts by certain
Christian folk to convince me that by the <BR>> mere fact of being
Muslim, one is evil, makes me all the more convinced that <BR>> to
remain an agnostic who has Muslims and Christians in his circle of
<BR>> friends is the right choice. Carl Westberg Jr.<BR>>
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