[Vision2020] campaign contributions
Dan Carscallen
areaman at moscow.com
Wed Jul 18 17:07:59 PDT 2007
Donovan Arnold,
It doesn’t cost that much money, and if you have good ideas that people
agree with, they will contribute to your campaign.
If anything, it just takes a bit of fortitude.
DC
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:04 PM
To: Tom Ivie; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
Tom Ivie,
It costs money to run for office.
Best.
Donovan
Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Donovan,
If you are so disenchanted with the school board and administration, why
not run for the board seat the next time your area has an opening? You
do know that it is a thankless job with no pay, sometimes requiring
attention equivalent to a full-time job?
Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Keely,
Of course you wouldn't. And certainly explains why you squandered an
opportunity to do something positive with your previous position. The
MSD administration has failed the students. Many children succeed
despite that failure to be given what they deserve by MSD. And your fail
to recognize that, in part, is why MSD is being sued, why it is having
to shut down programs and not rehire teachers this year, and why it just
makes excuses and blames others for why they cannot fix problems with
the system.
Winners and successful administrations don't give laundry lists of why
they are unsuccessful and cannot provide what others are under the same
conditions. They make laundry lists of how to overcome those problems
and then implement them.
Best,
Donovan
keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
Donovan, I have never, nor would I, begin or end an argument about MSD
with the phrase "they failed."
They didn't. They don't.
keely
"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
they're going through"
(With apologies to David Bowie)
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:40:03 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
To: kjajmix1 at msn.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Keely's argument is that they failed because it was the fault of the
state and federal government. Of course why they failed and other school
administrations under the same federal and state government restrictions
have not is yet to be explained?
Boise High School is ranked in the top 100 high schools in the nation.
How are they able to provide a lower tax rate, meet the same federal and
state regulations and succeed under the dictatorially anti-education
government? Why is Boise, and other Idaho schools so successful and
Moscow failing to provide?
I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, they are just asking for
accountability and honesty. Something I think this administration is
seriously lacking. Moscow is the "Berkley of Idaho." It is suppose to be
the brain trust of the state. It has more Mom's with PhDs per capita
than any other city in the county. Yet it cannot beat Boise in primary
and secondary education? We know that Moscow has every advantage
possible, more money per pupil, college educated parents, and a great
environment. Yet it is far out paced by Boise. Why is this?
Keely says it is because of a factor, state and federal regulations,
that every other school has to implement as well. I say it is because of
the MSD Administration that is looking out for some teachers,
politicians, and themselves over the welfare of the students.
Best,
Donovan
keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
Of course, if MSD had "worked things out" with Gerry Weitz, and
presumably, then, with every other stakeholder who has had suggestions
or concerns about the educational programming offered by the District,
it would have to then reconcile those ideas, meritorious though they may
be, with those pesky State and Federal programming and curriculum
requirements, which, while often difficult to enact, have that MANDATE
thing attached to them.
Seeing that PUBLIC EDUCATION is funded by taxpayers and regulated by the
State and, more than it should be, the Federal Government, it would seem
that attempts to craft a program offering a little of this and a little
of that and quite a bit more of the other is appropriate for private
schools, who only answer to paying parents. Public schools, however,
are in the unenviable position of having to answer to the State and the
Feds as well as the taxpayers. They're bound by law, by strict state
and Federal guidelines, by funding (both by legislative fiat and by
appeals to voters) and by facilities.
Believe it or not, Donovan, this is not a case of Candis Donicht and a
maverick school board deliberately deciding to annoy Gerry Weitz, and
neither is it a result of a concentrated effort to ignore certain
students. On the other hand, if you're willing to believe that the
current and former board members and current administration are all
demons incarnate, you won't be persuaded by reality -- the same reality
the rest of the world has to work with.
keely
"And these women that you spit on as they try to change their worlds/
Are immune to your consultations . . . they're quite aware of what
they're going through"
(With apologies to David Bowie)
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:57 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
Joe Campbell wrote:
"What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked
out with Weitz? And for what reason?"
I think they should have worked out better funding of vocational
education and to reduce discrimination against non-college bound
students. And for the reason of being fair and ensuring that public
education provides equal benefit to all students as well as providing
the students with some job related skills so they can be gainfully
employed when they graduate high school.
Joe also writes:
"I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count." Thank God
the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or else we'd
all be unable to comment! "
You are incorrect here on three accounts. First, we all breath, so
breathing would be an equal bias on all people, thus not making it a
bias. Second, you would be the only person in education to state that
being a teacher has not impacted their way of thinking. Third, and
final, since you are philosophy teacher, you're biased in thinking that
everyone can be a philosophy teacher rather than understanding standing
some people want to be welders, carpenters, constructionists, nurses,
drafters, operators, truckers, and machinists,--occupations that
actually produce public wealth, not drain from it.
Best,
Donovan
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
Donovan writes: "It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work with
Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that such a
reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size of the
gap differences in opinion."
What exactly, Donovan, did you think that the MSD should have worked out
with Weitz? And for what reason?
The merit of Weitz’s lawsuit has not yet been decided. Even the
decision by the Deputy Attorney General, which Weitz and others keep
circulating, states that the law is ambiguous and subject to two
distinct interpretations, one of which is consistent with the MSD's
actions. There is absolutely no reason for the MSD to work out a deal
with Weitz, either before the election, or at the current moment. To do
so would have been, or would be, irresponsible. The problem lies with
the law, not with the MSD -- and this is true even if Weitz wins since
that decision would set the legal precedent.
I'll save you the trouble and state your reply: "Since you are a
teacher, Joe, your opinion is prejudiced and doesn't count."
Thank God the issue isn't whether or not oxygen is essential to life or
else we'd all be unable to comment!
--
Joe Campbell
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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donovan Arnold
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] campaign contributions
To: Shirley Ringo , vision2020 at moscow.com
Message-ID: <981907.401.qm at web38112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Shirley,
You are without a doubt the best current legislature from Latah, and
certainly have the most integrity of the three. But I am unable to find
any vote you cast since 1999 which was in opposition to the MSD or IEA
agenda or stated positions. If such disagreements exist between you and
MSD and the IEA as you stated, please be so kind as to point out a few
for us.
I am glad you are able to work out differences with the MSD before
taking them to court. It is unfortunate that MSD was unwilling to work
with Dr. Weitz before he had to take them to court. I would image that
such a reason has less to do with integrity and more to do with the size
of the gap differences in opinion.
Again, I would like to hear to what differences between the MSD and
yourself that you have worked out on behave of the people you represent.
Best,
Donovan
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