[Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for Son's Behavior
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 17 19:25:58 PDT 2007
I think I get what you are saying: anyone can simply accuse anyone else
of misconduct without having to back it up.
But you are making what I feel is an obviously untrue allegation in
order to make a point. But with Bush, you have more than just one
person making comments. While nothing is conclusive about his previous
drug use, it sure stinks to high heaven. Here is what a little surfing
turned up:
- allegations of cocaine use in two books (Fortunate Son, by J. H.
Hatfield, Greg Palast, and Mark Crispin Miller; The Family: The Real
Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley), including allegations of
being convicted of possession of cocaine in 1972 and having the record
removed after performing a year of charity work and taking cocaine at
Camp David while his father was President.
Amazon links:
http://www.amazon.com/Fortunate-Son-George-American-President/dp/1887128840/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184724049&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Real-Story-Bush-Dynasty/dp/0385503245/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184723917&sr=8-2
- it appears that Bush did do one year of charity work in 1972, the only
time he has ever done so
- during his stint in the National Guard, he refused to fly starting in
April 1972 - right after the Medical Service Drug Abuse Testing Program
was announced. This program would have administered random drug tests
to guardsmen. Bush was ultimately grounded for not taking his scheduled
annual physical exam.
- of the 12 candidates for the 2000 Presidential election, only one
(Bush) refused to answer the question of whether or not they have ever
taken cocaine.
- lots of mealy-mouthed answers to questions on the topic over the
years, never a firm denial. Including statements that his answering the
question would actually only entice youngsters to drug use. Hard to do
if the answer is a firm "no".
- even some conspiracy theory like events, such as the author J. H.
Hatfield mentioned above being hounded into suicide by the Bush family
and at least one author being told that their story on the subject was a
firm go and then an out-of-character sudden rejection of their story
right before going to print.
It's mostly rumor and innuendo, yes. It probably wouldn't hold up in a
court of law, though who knows what would happen during the discovery
period. However, I'm not a court of law. I'm willing to go with the
theory that a young Bush in his twenties did some cocaine.
In an odd way, I even respect the guy a little for never just coming out
and denying it. I mean, who would know if it was or wasn't true? If it
is true, at least he's honest enough not to come right out and lie about
it, although he sure dances around the issue.
Paul
g. crabtree wrote:
> I thought I was making myself plain with the phrase "my spurious and
> totally unfounded allegation
> of your heroin usage," but apparently I was not. I was merely using
> it by way of an example. I am
> in no way attempting to make false claims or start silly and
> fraudulent rumors. Even though I believe
> that anyone who read my post and came away with that notion must have
> the brains of a buttercup,
> I am sorry if anyone came away with the wrong impression and I
> apologize to Mr.Campbell if his
> reputation was sullied in any way amongst our august readership.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for Son's
> Behavior
>
> Gary,
>
> Your analogy is a bad one. There are not scores of websites making
> scandalous claims about me. As far as I know, there is just one and
> since some of those claims are based on rumors started by you, your
> last two posts have me more than a little worried! Nor are the claims
> about Bush put forth by folks who believe that the allegations do not
> “reflect reality,” as you noted.
>
> You are also flat-out wrong that "Bush says it didn't happen." He
> never explicitly denied it. The best that we got was obfuscation: he
> noted that he never used cocaine while his dad was president. If you
> can find one explicit quote where Bush denied ever using cocaine, I'll
> take you out to lunch on my tab, though it will have to be at a modest
> establishment with fair prices like the One World Cafe. I deny ever
> using heroin, so there is one other disanalogy about your example.
>
> But all of this is beside the point. The issue isn't whether we should
> or shouldn't talk about Bush's alleged drug use. My concern is, Why
> was it never addressed in the mainstream media? The answer can't be
> that he has no record -- the media has no problem talking about Gore's
> son, who was arrested but hasn't even gone to trial let alone been
> convicted. It can't be that Bush was never arrested -- they have no
> problem talking about Bonds and Giambi. Even if he DID deny it, that
> can't be it either, given Clinton.
>
> As I remember it, Clinton was hounded by the press about his alleged
> marijuana use, which led to his "but I didn't inhale" comment. Note,
> too, that according to Clinton he didn't use the drug -- he issued a
> much clearer denial than Bush, since you don't use the drug unless you
> inhale. Yet he is still hounded by folks about it.
>
> I'm not condemning Bush, by the way. And I’m well aware of how stupid
> and wishy-washy the Clinton comment sounds. I think that the best way
> to handle it is as Bush did: to not talk about these sorts of things.
> It isn't as if they are particularly relevant. My question concerns
> the media. Why wasn't Bush hounded about the allegations? Again, the
> hounding would have been wrong. I'm just curious why it never happened.
>
> --
> Joe Campbell
>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
> <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>
> =============
> The same can now be said about my spurious and totally unfounded
> allegation
> of your heroin usage I used by way of example. Mr. Campbell has made
> "public
> statements that, while not confirming those allegations, stop short of
> denying them." The statement is completely true but does not reflect
> reality
> to the best of my knowledge.
>
> This is not to say that I'm sure that GW didn't put himself up to his
> eyeballs in the nose candy, just that it isn't the given that it is
> for the
> other fellows you refer to. Clinton and Al, II have publicly admitted to
> their indiscretions, Al III doesn't have to as his criminal record speaks
> for him. Giambi has also admitted out right that he has used steroids and
> human growth hormone. In doing so we can discuss these fellows drug
> use as
> fact. With GW it remains speculation.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>>
> Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for Son's
> Behavior
>
>
> > There is more to it, Gary. Do some research.
> >
> > Here, for instance, is what it says in Wikipedia: "Bush has made public
> > statements that, while not confirming those allegations, stop short of
> > denying them."
> >
> > A better analogy than yours is to compare Bush's drug use with Jason
> > Giambi's steroid use, which the media has little problem noting.
> >
> > --
> > Joe Campbell
> >
> > ---- "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
> <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > In the case of Clinton and the Gores their drug use was admitted or
> > documented. In the case of Bush they are merely alleged. Bush says it
> > didn't
> > happen and there is no paper trail in the form of an arrest record to
> > contradict him. To discuss it in the same way as Bill and the Al's
> > recreational exploits would be similar to me alleging that you were
> or had
> > been a junkie and then berating you for your lack of judgment
> because of
> > it.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net <mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>>
> > To: <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for Son's
> > Behavior
> >
> >
> >>I just don't get it.
> >>
> >> Why is it that Bill's "I didn't inhale!" and Al's previous use of
> pot --
> >> or his son's current use -- are popular topics of political discussion
> >> but
> >> our current president's previous cocaine use is never mentioned?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joe Campbell
> >>
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