<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
I think I get what you are saying: anyone can simply accuse anyone else
of misconduct without having to back it up.<br>
<br>
But you are making what I feel is an obviously untrue allegation in
order to make a point. But with Bush, you have more than just one
person making comments. While nothing is conclusive about his previous
drug use, it sure stinks to high heaven. Here is what a little surfing
turned up:<br>
<br>
- allegations of cocaine use in two books (Fortunate Son, by J. H.
Hatfield, Greg Palast, and Mark Crispin Miller; The Family: The Real
Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley), including allegations of
being convicted of possession of cocaine in 1972 and having the record
removed after performing a year of charity work and taking cocaine at
Camp David while his father was President.<br>
<br>
Amazon links: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.amazon.com/Fortunate-Son-George-American-President/dp/1887128840/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184724049&sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.com/Fortunate-Son-George-American-President/dp/1887128840/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184724049&sr=1-1</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.amazon.com/Family-Real-Story-Bush-Dynasty/dp/0385503245/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184723917&sr=8-2">http://www.amazon.com/Family-Real-Story-Bush-Dynasty/dp/0385503245/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-9205070-2073568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184723917&sr=8-2</a><br>
<br>
- it appears that Bush did do one year of charity work in 1972, the
only time he has ever done so<br>
<br>
- during his stint in the National Guard, he refused to fly starting in
April 1972 - right after the Medical Service Drug Abuse Testing Program
was announced. This program would have administered random drug tests
to guardsmen. Bush was ultimately grounded for not taking his
scheduled annual physical exam.<br>
<br>
- of the 12 candidates for the 2000 Presidential election, only one
(Bush) refused to answer the question of whether or not they have ever
taken cocaine.<br>
<br>
- lots of mealy-mouthed answers to questions on the topic over the
years, never a firm denial. Including statements that his answering
the question would actually only entice youngsters to drug use. Hard
to do if the answer is a firm "no".<br>
<br>
- even some conspiracy theory like events, such as the author J. H.
Hatfield mentioned above being hounded into suicide by the Bush family
and at least one author being told that their story on the subject was
a firm go and then an out-of-character sudden rejection of their story
right before going to print.<br>
<br>
It's mostly rumor and innuendo, yes. It probably wouldn't hold up in a
court of law, though who knows what would happen during the discovery
period. However, I'm not a court of law. I'm willing to go with the
theory that a young Bush in his twenties did some cocaine.<br>
<br>
In an odd way, I even respect the guy a little for never just coming
out and denying it. I mean, who would know if it was or wasn't true?
If it is true, at least he's honest enough not to come right out and
lie about it, although he sure dances around the issue.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
g. crabtree wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid029e01c7c8b1$0927ac30$6501a8c0@gmc" type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; ">
<meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16481" name="GENERATOR">
<style></style>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I thought I was making myself plain
with the phrase "my spurious and totally unfounded allegation <br>
of your heroin usage," but apparently I was not. I was merely using
it by way of an example. I am </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">in no way attempting to make false
claims or start silly and fraudulent rumors. Even though I believe</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> that anyone who read my post and
came away with that notion must have the brains of a buttercup, </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am sorry if anyone came away with
the wrong impression and I apologize to Mr.Campbell if his </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">reputation was sullied in any way
amongst our august readership.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font face="Arial" size="2">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cc: <</font><a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:13 PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore
Provides Surprising Reason for Son's Behavior</font></div>
</div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br>
</font></div>
<font face="Arial" size="2">Gary,<br>
<br>
Your analogy is a bad one. There are not scores of websites making
scandalous claims about me. As far as I know, there is just one and
since some of those claims are based on rumors started by you, your
last two posts have me more than a little worried! Nor are the claims
about Bush put forth by folks who believe that the allegations do not
“reflect reality,” as you noted.<br>
<br>
You are also flat-out wrong that "Bush says it didn't happen." He never
explicitly denied it. The best that we got was obfuscation: he noted
that he never used cocaine while his dad was president. If you can find
one explicit quote where Bush denied ever using cocaine, I'll take you
out to lunch on my tab, though it will have to be at a modest
establishment with fair prices like the One World Cafe. I deny ever
using heroin, so there is one other disanalogy about your example.<br>
<br>
But all of this is beside the point. The issue isn't whether we should
or shouldn't talk about Bush's alleged drug use. My concern is, Why was
it never addressed in the mainstream media? The answer can't be that he
has no record -- the media has no problem talking about Gore's son, who
was arrested but hasn't even gone to trial let alone been convicted. It
can't be that Bush was never arrested -- they have no problem talking
about Bonds and Giambi. Even if he DID deny it, that can't be it
either, given Clinton.<br>
<br>
As I remember it, Clinton was hounded by the press about his alleged
marijuana use, which led to his "but I didn't inhale" comment. Note,
too, that according to Clinton he didn't use the drug -- he issued a
much clearer denial than Bush, since you don't use the drug unless you
inhale. Yet he is still hounded by folks about it.<br>
<br>
I'm not condemning Bush, by the way. And I’m well aware of how stupid
and wishy-washy the Clinton comment sounds. I think that the best way
to handle it is as Bush did: to not talk about these sorts of things.
It isn't as if they are particularly relevant. My question concerns the
media. Why wasn't Bush hounded about the allegations? Again, the
hounding would have been wrong. I'm just curious why it never happened.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Joe Campbell<br>
<br>
---- "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font
face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">> wrote: <br>
<br>
=============<br>
The same can now be said about my spurious and totally unfounded
allegation <br>
of your heroin usage I used by way of example. Mr. Campbell has made
"public <br>
statements that, while not confirming those allegations, stop short of
<br>
denying them." The statement is completely true but does not reflect
reality <br>
to the best of my knowledge.<br>
<br>
This is not to say that I'm sure that GW didn't put himself up to his <br>
eyeballs in the nose candy, just that it isn't the given that it is for
the <br>
other fellows you refer to. Clinton and Al, II have publicly admitted
to <br>
their indiscretions, Al III doesn't have to as his criminal record
speaks <br>
for him. Giambi has also admitted out right that he has used steroids
and <br>
human growth hormone. In doing so we can discuss these fellows drug use
as <br>
fact. With GW it remains speculation.<br>
<br>
g<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font
face="Arial" size="2">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial"
size="2">><br>
To: "g. crabtree" <</font><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font
face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">><br>
Cc: <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial"
size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">><br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:37 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for Son's
Behavior<br>
<br>
<br>
> There is more to it, Gary. Do some research.<br>
><br>
> Here, for instance, is what it says in Wikipedia: "Bush has made
public <br>
> statements that, while not confirming those allegations, stop
short of <br>
> denying them."<br>
><br>
> A better analogy than yours is to compare Bush's drug use with
Jason <br>
> Giambi's steroid use, which the media has little problem noting.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Joe Campbell<br>
><br>
> ---- "g. crabtree" <</font><a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">> wrote:<br>
><br>
> =============<br>
> In the case of Clinton and the Gores their drug use was admitted or<br>
> documented. In the case of Bush they are merely alleged. Bush says
it <br>
> didn't<br>
> happen and there is no paper trail in the form of an arrest record
to<br>
> contradict him. To discuss it in the same way as Bill and the Al's<br>
> recreational exploits would be similar to me alleging that you
were or had<br>
> been a junkie and then berating you for your lack of judgment
because of <br>
> it.<br>
><br>
> g<br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><font
face="Arial" size="2">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial"
size="2">><br>
> To: <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font
face="Arial" size="2">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font
face="Arial" size="2">><br>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:16 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gore Provides Surprising Reason for
Son's <br>
> Behavior<br>
><br>
><br>
>>I just don't get it.<br>
>><br>
>> Why is it that Bill's "I didn't inhale!" and Al's previous use
of pot --<br>
>> or his son's current use -- are popular topics of political
discussion <br>
>> but<br>
>> our current president's previous cocaine use is never
mentioned?<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Joe Campbell<br>
>><br>
>> =======================================================<br>
>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>
>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>
>> </font><a href="http://www.fsr.net"><font
face="Arial" size="2">http://www.fsr.net</font></a><br>
<font face="Arial" size="2">>> </font><a
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><font face="Arial" size="2">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br>
<font face="Arial" size="2">>>
=======================================================<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font>
<pre wrap="">
<hr size="4" width="90%">
=======================================================
List services made available by First Step Internet,
serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a>
=======================================================</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</body>
</html>