[Vision2020] "Murder" rate in Moscow

[Donovan Arnold]

I think you would have to use police investigations only because not every murder is prosecuted, and not every body is taken to a medical examiner. a court might rule a person not guilty, but that doesn't mean there still wasn't a murder. I agree with UCR for consistence in data collection.
   
  Best,
   
  Donovan

Debbie Gray <graylex at yahoo.com> wrote:
  These are crimes reported (or otherwise made known) to
the police/sheriff for each jurisdiction. The UCR
doesn't look at how the crime is adjudicated. If 5
murders were reported but each murderer plea bargained
down to disturbing the peace or littering then there
would still be 5 murders reported. 

This is my understanding of what the UCR is, reaching
back into the 1980/90s as an undergrad... i can ask my
resident crime expert in the morning...

or wikipedia:


--- Ted Moffett wrote:

> Debbie et. al.
> 
> So from the information you offered it appears
> possible for a police
> investigation to classify a homicide as a murder or
> nonnegligent
> manslaughter, ruling out self defense (justifiable
> homicide), suicide,
> negligence or accident, or an attempt or assault to
> murder, all
> circumstances that would rule out this "offense
> classification," then even
> if a court rules the death accidental, for example,
> this is ignored for the
> purposes of the UCR?
> 
> This statement appears to suggest this is possible:
> 
> "The classification of this offense is based solely
> on
> police investigation as opposed to the determination
> of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or
> other
> judicial body."
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 
> On 7/8/07, Debbie Gray wrote:
> >
> > From the FBI's Crime in the United States 2005
> > (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ )
> >
> > The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines
> > murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the
> willful
> > (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by
> another.
> > The classification of this offense is based solely
> on
> > police investigation as opposed to the
> determination
> > of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or
> other
> > judicial body. The UCR Program does not include
> the
> > following situations in this offense
> classification:
> > deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident;
> > justifiable homicides; and attempts to murder or
> > assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated
> > assaults.
> >
> > --- Ted Moffett < starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/7/07, Don Coombs 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please remember, though, that all murders are
> > > killings,
> > > > but not all killings are murders. We depend on
> the
> > > > judicial system to determine if a killing is
> > > murder.
> > > >
> > > > Don Coombs
> > >
> > >
> > > So the "alleged" (what a difference this word
> makes)
> > > murders in Troy, by
> > > Delling, and in or near Genesee, should not
> > > technically be counted yet in an
> > > estimate of Latah County's 2007 murder rate,
> given
> > > the judicial system has
> > > not ruled on these cases. But given that
> Hamilton
> > > will never stand trial,
> > > and the facts of the case on his commission of
> those
> > > crimes appear solid,
> > > can we call the three homicides' victims (not
> > > counting his suicide) of
> > > "murder?" It sure seems so, though the judicial
> > > system has not ruled on
> > > this issue, or have they?
> > >
> > > I wonder if murder rates only include first and
> > > second degree murder? What
> > > about voluntary manslaughter? It seems that
> > > involuntary manslaughter would
> > > not be included, nor homicide in self defense.
> > >
> > > Ted Moffett
> > > >
> >
> 








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