<DIV>I think you would have to use police investigations only because not every murder is prosecuted, and not every body is taken to a medical examiner. a court might rule a person not guilty, but that doesn't mean there still wasn't a murder. I agree with UCR for consistence in data collection.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Debbie Gray <graylex@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">These are crimes reported (or otherwise made known) to<BR>the police/sheriff for each jurisdiction. The UCR<BR>doesn't look at how the crime is adjudicated. If 5<BR>murders were reported but each murderer plea bargained<BR>down to disturbing the peace or littering then there<BR>would still be 5 murders reported. <BR><BR>This is my understanding of what the UCR is, reaching<BR>back into the 1980/90s as an undergrad... i can ask
my<BR>resident crime expert in the morning...<BR><BR>or wikipedia:<BR><HTTP: Uniform_Crime_Reports wiki en.wikipedia.org><BR><BR>--- Ted Moffett <STARBLISS@GMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> Debbie et. al.<BR>> <BR>> So from the information you offered it appears<BR>> possible for a police<BR>> investigation to classify a homicide as a murder or<BR>> nonnegligent<BR>> manslaughter, ruling out self defense (justifiable<BR>> homicide), suicide,<BR>> negligence or accident, or an attempt or assault to<BR>> murder, all<BR>> circumstances that would rule out this "offense<BR>> classification," then even<BR>> if a court rules the death accidental, for example,<BR>> this is ignored for the<BR>> purposes of the UCR?<BR>> <BR>> This statement appears to suggest this is possible:<BR>> <BR>> "The classification of this offense is based solely<BR>> on<BR>> police investigation as opposed to the determination<BR>> of a court,
medical examiner, coroner, jury, or<BR>> other<BR>> judicial body."<BR>> <BR>> Ted Moffett<BR>> <BR>> On 7/8/07, Debbie Gray <GRAYLEX@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > From the FBI's Crime in the United States 2005<BR>> > (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/ )<BR>> ><BR>> > The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines<BR>> > murder and nonnegligent manslaughter as the<BR>> willful<BR>> > (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by<BR>> another.<BR>> > The classification of this offense is based solely<BR>> on<BR>> > police investigation as opposed to the<BR>> determination<BR>> > of a court, medical examiner, coroner, jury, or<BR>> other<BR>> > judicial body. The UCR Program does not include<BR>> the<BR>> > following situations in this offense<BR>> classification:<BR>> > deaths caused by negligence, suicide, or accident;<BR>> > justifiable homicides; and
attempts to murder or<BR>> > assaults to murder, which are scored as aggravated<BR>> > assaults.<BR>> ><BR>> > --- Ted Moffett < starbliss@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > On 7/7/07, Don Coombs <MUSHROOM@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> wrote:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Please remember, though, that all murders are<BR>> > > killings,<BR>> > > > but not all killings are murders. We depend on<BR>> the<BR>> > > > judicial system to determine if a killing is<BR>> > > murder.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Don Coombs<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > So the "alleged" (what a difference this word<BR>> makes)<BR>> > > murders in Troy, by<BR>> > > Delling, and in or near Genesee, should not<BR>> > > technically be counted yet in an<BR>> > > estimate of Latah County's 2007 murder
rate,<BR>> given<BR>> > > the judicial system has<BR>> > > not ruled on these cases. But given that<BR>> Hamilton<BR>> > > will never stand trial,<BR>> > > and the facts of the case on his commission of<BR>> those<BR>> > > crimes appear solid,<BR>> > > can we call the three homicides' victims (not<BR>> > > counting his suicide) of<BR>> > > "murder?" It sure seems so, though the judicial<BR>> > > system has not ruled on<BR>> > > this issue, or have they?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I wonder if murder rates only include first and<BR>> > > second degree murder? What<BR>> > > about voluntary manslaughter? It seems that<BR>> > > involuntary manslaughter would<BR>> > > not be included, nor homicide in self defense.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Ted Moffett<BR>> > > ><BR>> ><BR>>
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