[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: church and paintball

[Mark Solomon]

Paul,

My problem is with the concept that churches might believe that it is 
important for their congregation to be winners or conquerors. There 
are lots of other ways of building group trust and problem solving 
ability that don't involve subduing an enemy.

I've got a paintball gun myself. It's a good tool, not a toy. I used 
to use it to mark range cows that were trespassing on my land as a 
non-verbal message to the rancher to do a better job of controlling 
his stock. Haven't had a problem now for years.

Mark

At 9:13 AM -0700 7/1/07, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
>In my opinion, as long as you have a good grasp of the line between 
>fantasy and reality it shouldn't be a problem.  In that respect, 
>it's like video games. 
>
>I've played paintball, and it has more in common with the old games 
>we used to play in the woods as boy scouts than it does with actual 
>military training or conditioning.  You know it's not real, which 
>completely changes the dynamic.  Nobody is drilling you, telling you 
>how you might just kill somebody if you screw up, nobody is making 
>it plain that other lives may one day depend upon your performance. 
>It's just fun.
>
>A lot of companies use it as a team-building exercise, because (if 
>you want to win) it forces you to rely upon someone else and to be 
>relied upon to achieve a goal.  It also enhances your 
>problem-solving skills.  I see no conflict with religious groups 
>doing the same thing, myself.
>
>Paul
>
>Ellen Roskovich wrote:
>
>>Dancing and making joyous noise is a far cry from slithering around 
>>in the bushes, taking pot shots at your buddies and keeping score 
>>on how many kills you have.
>>
>>Call me a fuddy duddy if you wish.  No, I'll even do it for you. . 
>>. I'm a fuddy duddy.  I do not like organized "games" that 
>>condition people to kill off their fellow humans. 
>>
>>I would cringe at any group organizing this activity for kids and 
>>it would have opened the door for "discussion" at our household.
>>
>>Ellen A. Roskovich
>>
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>>From: "g. crabtree" <mailto:jampot at adelphia.net><jampot at adelphia.net>
>>To: <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com><vision2020 at moscow.com>, "Mark 
>>Solomon" <mailto:msolomon at moscow.com><msolomon at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] church and paintball
>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:26:41 -0700
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>>Absolutely! Any time the Churched strip off their sack cloth and 
>>ash and venture forth from their cloisters I worry that they might 
>>have something resembling a good time. Next thing you know they'll 
>>be dancing and making a joyous noise and goodness knows we can't 
>>have any of that.
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>>g
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>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:msolomon at moscow.com>Mark Solomon
>>To: <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:32 AM
>>Subject: [Vision2020] church and paintball
>>
>>Does anyone else find this as disturbing as I do? (I'd post a link 
>>to the full story, the rest of which is a straight business story 
>>about paintball, but the Tribune is a subscriber only website.)
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>*********
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>>Aiming for fun, with a license to thrill
>>
>>
>>By Elaine Williams of the Tribune
>>Sunday, July 1, 2007
>>
>>
>>Church groups are among the most frequent customers of FTW 
>>Paintball, a store that recently opened in Lewiston.
>>
>>The organizers find that playing paintball is a way to create 
>>relationships among their members, said Marty Frostad, owner of the 
>>business.
>>
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