[Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves

Wed Jan 31 16:14:39 PST 2007

I just googled 'vultures killing cattle' and came up with this:

http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/livestock/410-030/410-030.html

and this:

http://lib.colostate.edu/research/agnic/birds/vultures/vulturesandlivestock.html

Scroll down to vultures and enjoy.  Whodathunkit?

Sunil

>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>To: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>,   "Sunil Ramalingam" 
><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,   vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0800
>
>Mark
>Some of your statements are ture and some can be questioned. The government 
>does pay for verified losses. These things are hard to verify. As you said 
>there has been one payment in Latah county. The loss in the Soutwick area 
>has been considerably grater than that. In any case this is an unnecessary 
>expense.To attribute losses to vultures is ridiculous. vultures feed on 
>carcasses but do not kill any cattle. I have seen them eating on something 
>that is still barely alive. But they were not the cause of death to a 
>health animal.  Think about the size of a vulture and the size of a cow. 
>Owls and Eagles will prey on small rodents and cats, but not on cattle.
>
>Roger
>-----Original message-----
>From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:23:47 -0800
>To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Sunil Ramalingam" 
>sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>
> > For those who may not be aware of it, Defenders of Wildlife maintains
> > a livestock predation fund to compensate any rancher who Fish and
> > Wildlife Service says has lost stock to wolves. According to
> > information on their website, the fund has made 412 payments totaling
> > $536,985 to cover the loss of 514 cows, 1421 sheep and 57 "other
> > animals" from 1987 to 2005. One payment for cattle is listed for
> > Latah County.
> >
> > The following is from the Defenders website:
> > http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/wolves/loss.html
> >
> >      *    In the continental U.S., health issues such as respiratory
> > problems, digestive problems, calving complications and disease were
> > overwhelmingly the most significant causes of cattle death in 2005.
> >
> >      * Only 0.11% of all cattle losses were due to wolf predation in 
>2005.
> >
> >      * Coyotes killed more than 22 times more cattle than wolves
> > killed that year.
> >
> >      * Domestic dogs killed almost 5 times as many cattle, and
> > vultures killed almost twice as many cattle as wolves did in 2005.
> >
> >      * Theft was responsible for almost 5 times as many cattle losses
> > as were lost by wolf predation.
> >
> >      * Predation by coyotes was the largest cause of sheep loss in
> > 2005, accounting for 23% of all losses, followed by health problems &
> > weather-related issues.
> >
> >      * In states with wolf populations, an average of less than 2.5%
> > of sheep loss was due to predation by wolves in 2005.
> >
> > I'm not going to argue that there isn't a traumatic loss when the
> > animals you've raised are killed by a wolf, but the economic loss is
> > minimized if not zeroed out by the compensation fund. Plus, when you
> > look at the causes of livestock loss listed above, wolves are way
> > down the list.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > At 3:03 PM -0800 1/31/07, lfalen wrote:
> > >I don't know that they have said that directly, but the loss of
> > >livestock to wolves does not seem to be of a concern or is
> > >minimized.  That is the same thing.
> > >
> > >Roger
> > >-----Original message-----
> > >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:37:08 -0800
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > >
> > >>  Roger,
> > >>
> > >>  How many people have said here they don't care about the livelihood 
>of
> > >>  livestock producers?
> > >>
> > >>  Sunil
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >>  >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > >>  >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>  >Subject: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
> > >>  >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:01:20 -0800
> > >>  >
> > >>  >Will
> > >>  >  I am mostly in agreement with your statements on a balance in the
> > >>  >ecosystem. however I do not think that killing off old cow elk has 
>anything
> > >>  >to do with the productive of young ones. One thing that is missing 
>is the
> > >>  >disregard of the effects on livestock. I understand that you folks 
>do not
> > >>  >care about the lively hood of livestock producers, which is why you 
>do not
> > >>  >take this into consideration or downgrade it. I do not have a 
>problem with
> > >>  >maintaining some wolves, but they need to be controlled. They are 
>much more
> > >>  >dangerous than coyotes. I am a believer in multiple use. This 
>includes
> > >>  >everyone, including livestock producers. I am a supporter of The 
>Nature
> > >>  >conservancy. I used to be a member of the Audubon Society, but 
>their views
> > >>  >have became too one side. The Sierra Club has always ben too 
>radical for
> > >>  >me. As an aside, I was raised in the middle of what is called the 
>Owyhee
> > >>  >Initiative. Our place was about 50 miles from Jordan Valley, Oregon 
>and 80
> > >>  >miles from Bruneau, Idaho. I supp!
> > >>  >  ort the
> > >>  >Owyhee Imitative as do most of my former neighbors that still live 
>there.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >Roger
> > >>  >
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