[Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves

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Wed Jan 31 16:27:11 PST 2007 

Just like an attorney to confuse this issue with authorative facts!  Shame!

W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves


>I just googled 'vultures killing cattle' and came up with this:
>
> http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/livestock/410-030/410-030.html
>
> and this:
>
> http://lib.colostate.edu/research/agnic/birds/vultures/vulturesandlivestock.html
>
> Scroll down to vultures and enjoy.  Whodathunkit?
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>>To: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>,   "Sunil Ramalingam"
>><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>,   vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0800
>>
>>Mark
>>Some of your statements are ture and some can be questioned. The 
>>government
>>does pay for verified losses. These things are hard to verify. As you said
>>there has been one payment in Latah county. The loss in the Soutwick area
>>has been considerably grater than that. In any case this is an unnecessary
>>expense.To attribute losses to vultures is ridiculous. vultures feed on
>>carcasses but do not kill any cattle. I have seen them eating on something
>>that is still barely alive. But they were not the cause of death to a
>>health animal.  Think about the size of a vulture and the size of a cow.
>>Owls and Eagles will prey on small rodents and cats, but not on cattle.
>>
>>Roger
>>-----Original message-----
>>From: Mark Solomon msolomon at moscow.com
>>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:23:47 -0800
>>To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com, "Sunil Ramalingam"
>>sunilramalingam at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>>
>> > For those who may not be aware of it, Defenders of Wildlife maintains
>> > a livestock predation fund to compensate any rancher who Fish and
>> > Wildlife Service says has lost stock to wolves. According to
>> > information on their website, the fund has made 412 payments totaling
>> > $536,985 to cover the loss of 514 cows, 1421 sheep and 57 "other
>> > animals" from 1987 to 2005. One payment for cattle is listed for
>> > Latah County.
>> >
>> > The following is from the Defenders website:
>> > http://www.defenders.org/wildlife/new/wolves/loss.html
>> >
>> >      *    In the continental U.S., health issues such as respiratory
>> > problems, digestive problems, calving complications and disease were
>> > overwhelmingly the most significant causes of cattle death in 2005.
>> >
>> >      * Only 0.11% of all cattle losses were due to wolf predation in
>>2005.
>> >
>> >      * Coyotes killed more than 22 times more cattle than wolves
>> > killed that year.
>> >
>> >      * Domestic dogs killed almost 5 times as many cattle, and
>> > vultures killed almost twice as many cattle as wolves did in 2005.
>> >
>> >      * Theft was responsible for almost 5 times as many cattle losses
>> > as were lost by wolf predation.
>> >
>> >      * Predation by coyotes was the largest cause of sheep loss in
>> > 2005, accounting for 23% of all losses, followed by health problems &
>> > weather-related issues.
>> >
>> >      * In states with wolf populations, an average of less than 2.5%
>> > of sheep loss was due to predation by wolves in 2005.
>> >
>> > I'm not going to argue that there isn't a traumatic loss when the
>> > animals you've raised are killed by a wolf, but the economic loss is
>> > minimized if not zeroed out by the compensation fund. Plus, when you
>> > look at the causes of livestock loss listed above, wolves are way
>> > down the list.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > At 3:03 PM -0800 1/31/07, lfalen wrote:
>> > >I don't know that they have said that directly, but the loss of
>> > >livestock to wolves does not seem to be of a concern or is
>> > >minimized.  That is the same thing.
>> > >
>> > >Roger
>> > >-----Original message-----
>> > >From: "Sunil Ramalingam" sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:37:08 -0800
>> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>> > >
>> > >>  Roger,
>> > >>
>> > >>  How many people have said here they don't care about the livelihood
>>of
>> > >>  livestock producers?
>> > >>
>> > >>  Sunil
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  >From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> > >>  >Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> > >>  >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >>  >Subject: [Vision2020] Mixed news for Wolves
>> > >>  >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:01:20 -0800
>> > >>  >
>> > >>  >Will
>> > >>  >  I am mostly in agreement with your statements on a balance in 
>> > >> the
>> > >>  >ecosystem. however I do not think that killing off old cow elk has
>>anything
>> > >>  >to do with the productive of young ones. One thing that is missing
>>is the
>> > >>  >disregard of the effects on livestock. I understand that you folks
>>do not
>> > >>  >care about the lively hood of livestock producers, which is why 
>> > >> you
>>do not
>> > >>  >take this into consideration or downgrade it. I do not have a
>>problem with
>> > >>  >maintaining some wolves, but they need to be controlled. They are
>>much more
>> > >>  >dangerous than coyotes. I am a believer in multiple use. This
>>includes
>> > >>  >everyone, including livestock producers. I am a supporter of The
>>Nature
>> > >>  >conservancy. I used to be a member of the Audubon Society, but
>>their views
>> > >>  >have became too one side. The Sierra Club has always ben too
>>radical for
>> > >>  >me. As an aside, I was raised in the middle of what is called the
>>Owyhee
>> > >>  >Initiative. Our place was about 50 miles from Jordan Valley, 
>> > >> Oregon
>>and 80
>> > >>  >miles from Bruneau, Idaho. I supp!
>> > >>  >  ort the
>> > >>  >Owyhee Imitative as do most of my former neighbors that still live
>>there.
>> > >>  >
>> > >>  >Roger
>> > >>  >
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