[Vision2020] Hymn to the Intelligent Designer

[Tony]

I want to speculate because it is a fascinating exercise Ralph.  Besides, 
every question ever answered was speculation prior to being resolved. 
Besides again, I was curious, after listening to you lampoon the beliefs of 
so many others over so many years, what your particular views were.  Is your 
mind open to any number of possibilities in an infinite universe?  Or are 
you an atheist who is just as devout in his disbelief as any believer might 
be in his belief?

-T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ralph Nielsen" <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Hymn to the Intelligent Designer


> Tony, why should we waste our time drawing conclusions about  theoretical 
> speculation that neither you nor I are in a position to  know anything 
> about? All we know is that we are products of evolution  in an 
> ever-changing universe.
>
> Are venomous animals and insects the product of an "overarching 
> intelligence"? Are hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis? Would you  design 
> a world like that? If not, why try to attribute it to anything 
> intelligent?
>
> Ralph
>
> On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>> Ralph,  please!  My question, now asked for the third time, was  clear: 
>> What is YOUR personal conclusion as to the existence or  nonexistence of 
>> an overarching intelligence?
>>
>> Still later,   -T
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Nielsen"  <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
>>
>>> Tony, are you trying to say that you view the Bible as consistent  or 
>>> compassionate?
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Tony wrote:
>>>
>>>> No Ralph, I quite understand that you don't view the Bible as 
>>>> consistent or compassionate.  What I was attempting (for the  second 
>>>> time) was to determine what YOUR personal conclusion is  as to the 
>>>> existence or nonexistence of an overarching intelligence.
>>>>
>>>> Later,  -T
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Nielsen" 
>>>> <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
>>>>
>>>>> Tony,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is God a mean S.O.B.? Not according to himself. By the end of  the 
>>>>> sixth day of creation "God saw everything that he had made,  and 
>>>>> indeed, it was very good" (Genesis 1:31a).
>>>>>
>>>>> However, later in the Bible God does admit that he is a S.O.B.  "I 
>>>>> form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe-- 
>>>>> I the   LORD do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7). The Jewish  Study 
>>>>> Bible  says that here the word "woe" is the same as  "evil." p. 875.
>>>>>
>>>>> So try to have a pleasant Sabbath, Tony. It will soon be over-- 
>>>>> at sundown.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
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