[Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Them Godless Liberals

[Mark Solomon]

As someone who grew up speaking Yiddish in a Jewish neighborhood, 
watch your mouth. Obscenely cursing in a language other than English 
is still obscenely cursing.

Mark

At 9:21 AM -0500 1/30/07, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>Tom,
>
>Who says that I am endorsing you!
>
>You're such a Putz!
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: thansen at moscow.com
>To: heirdoug at netscape.net
>Sent: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 7:18 AM
>Subject: RE: [OFF LIST]  Them Godless Liberals
>
>Cool.
>
>Thanks for the endorsement, No-Clue.
>
>Hansen
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>"A bad cause will ever be supported by bad means and bad men."
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:15 AM
>To: idahotom at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals
>
>Tom-Tom,
>
>Maybe if we put his comments back into the context into which he stated
>them we MIGHT be able to start to understand just what his intent
>was.... Ya think!
>
>Next time if you are trying to malign someone do with a little more
>class. OK! If one is to read the second to last sentance in Chris'
>argument one might think Tom, Chris knew who you were!
>
>By the way Tom, you must want to "overhear every tedious scrap of brain
>static rattling around in" Dale's head, you read his blog all the time!
>
>And now, from Right-Mind.us:
>
>
>Sobering words
>From a speech in New Hampshire by former Speaker of the House, Newt
>Gingrich.
>
>Not a politically correct speech.
>
>
>"The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine
>danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons of mass
>destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological weapons.
>And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be impaneling
>people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we would never
>dream of if it weren't for the scale of threat.
>Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested
>people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they
>arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in
>order to hide the bomb as baby milk.
>"Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the
>planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing
>to die as long as they get to kill you, I've simply described the
>warrior culture which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand
>years.
>"But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so
>much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you,
>I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond
>anything we have tried to deal with.
>And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are
>arresting British citizens, born in Britain, speaking English, who went
>to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.
>"This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to
>want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that
>will lead us to learn how to close down every website that is
>dangerous, and it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who
>advocate the killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or
>biological weapons.
>"And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if
>we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of
>engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their
>capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free
>speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from
>recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young
>people to destroy their lives while destroying us.
>"This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the
>first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of
>losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million
>Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to
>proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement.
>"And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for
>fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight
>outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass
>destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject
>to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect
>civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength
>that it is truly horrendous.
>"This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national
>dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait
>until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen
>within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So
>
>(APPLAUSE)
>
>"This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we
>are faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to
>take over our land, but to KILL us.
>
>Published Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:55 AM by Right-Mind
>
>Comments
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># One thing that we need is a concept of covenantal/federal/corporate
>responsibility
>
>Newt's comments are very good as far as they go, but he is still not
>getting to the real core of the matter. Islamic terrorists are not
>trying to attack the West outside of and apart from God's sovereignty.
>God is allowing this to happen, and He is allowing it to happen for a
>reason. We need to ask ourselves, "Why is God allowing Islamic
>terrorists to launch attacks against the West NOW? What is the message
>the God is trying to tell us through all this?" And the message is that
>He wants us all to turn away from our sins and to turn unto Him. The
>pack of decadent, godless, liberal (libertine) socialist
>revolutionaries that the West has been gradually morphing into was
>becoming what it was becoming in a process of TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
>Did we really think that God wasn't there? Did we really think that God
>doesn't CARE? He is there, and He does care, and thus he has allowed
>Islamic terrorists to come into our midst. When the West becomes truly
>Christian once again, God will show us the way out of the mess that we
>are in, and He will lead us to victory and peace. But if anyone thinks
>that we can deal effectively with the problem of Islamic terrorism --
>which is really a symptom rather than the real underlying problem
>itself -- without addressing the more fundamental problem of how we as
>individuals and as a society are to relate to the Christian God, that
>person is not in a position to find a genuine solution. This much is
>clear: there is no point in making the world safe for moral degeneracy
>and godlessness. If that's the sort of "freedom" that West stands for,
>it's not worth defending.
>
>Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:39 AM by cdwitmer
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