[Vision2020] [OFF LIST] Them Godless Liberals

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Tom,

Who says that I am endorsing you!

You're such a Putz!



-----Original Message-----
From: thansen at moscow.com
To: heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: [OFF LIST]  Them Godless Liberals

Cool.

Thanks for the endorsement, No-Clue.

Hansen

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-----Original Message-----
 From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of heirdoug at netscape.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:15 AM
To: idahotom at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Them Godless Liberals

Tom-Tom,

Maybe if we put his comments back into the context into which he stated
them we MIGHT be able to start to understand just what his intent
was.... Ya think!

Next time if you are trying to malign someone do with a little more
class. OK! If one is to read the second to last sentance in Chris'
argument one might think Tom, Chris knew who you were!

By the way Tom, you must want to "overhear every tedious scrap of brain
static rattling around in" Dale's head, you read his blog all the time!

And now, from Right-Mind.us:


Sobering words
 From a speech in New Hampshire by former Speaker of the House, Newt
Gingrich.

Not a politically correct speech.


"The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine
danger of terrorism, in particular terrorists using weapons of mass
destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and biological weapons.
And I want to suggest to you that right now we should be impaneling
people to look seriously at a level of supervision that we would never
dream of if it weren't for the scale of threat.
Let me give you two examples. When the British this summer arrested
people who were planning to blow up ten airliners in one day, they
arrested a couple who were going to use their six month old baby in
order to hide the bomb as baby milk.
"Now, if I come to you tonight and say that there are people on the
planet who hate you, and they are 15-25 year old males who are willing
to die as long as they get to kill you, I've simply described the
warrior culture which has been true historically for 6 or 7 thousand
years.
"But, if I come to you and say that there is a couple that hates you so
much that they will kill their six month old baby in order to kill you,
I am describing a level of ferocity, and a level of savagery beyond
anything we have tried to deal with.
And, what is truly frightening about the British experience is they are
arresting British citizens, born in Britain, speaking English, who went
to British schools, live in British housing, and have good jobs.
"This is a serious long term war, and it will inevitably lead us to
want to know what is said in every suspect place in the country, that
will lead us to learn how to close down every website that is
dangerous, and it will lead us to a very severe approach to people who
advocate the killing of Americans and advocate the use of nuclear or
biological weapons.
"And, my prediction to you is that either before we lose a city, or if
we are truly stupid, after we lose a city, we will adopt rules of
engagement that use every technology we can find to break up their
capacity to use the internet, to break up their capacity to use free
speech, and to go after people who want to kill us to stop them from
recruiting people before they get to reach out and convince young
people to destroy their lives while destroying us.
"This is a serious problem that will lead to a serious debate about the
first amendment, but I think that the national security threat of
losing an American city to a nuclear weapon, or losing several million
Americans to a biological attack is so real that we need to
proactively, now, develop the appropriate rules of engagement.
"And, I further think that we should propose a Geneva convention for
fighting terrorism which makes very clear that those who would fight
outside the rules of law, those who would use weapons of mass
destruction, and those who would target civilians are in fact subject
to a totally different set of rules that allow us to protect
civilization by defeating barbarism before it gains so much strength
that it is truly horrendous.
"This is a sober topic, but I think it is a topic we need a national
dialogue about, and we need to get ahead of the curve rather than wait
until actually we literary lose a city which could literally happen
within the next decade if we are unfortunate. So

(APPLAUSE)

"This is a very sober description of the Islamic terrorist threat we
are faced with. We are NOW at war with a culture that wants, not to
take over our land, but to KILL us.

Published Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:55 AM by Right-Mind

Comments

# One thing that we need is a concept of covenantal/federal/corporate
responsibility

Newt's comments are very good as far as they go, but he is still not
getting to the real core of the matter. Islamic terrorists are not
trying to attack the West outside of and apart from God's sovereignty.
God is allowing this to happen, and He is allowing it to happen for a
reason. We need to ask ourselves, "Why is God allowing Islamic
terrorists to launch attacks against the West NOW? What is the message
the God is trying to tell us through all this?" And the message is that
He wants us all to turn away from our sins and to turn unto Him. The
pack of decadent, godless, liberal (libertine) socialist
revolutionaries that the West has been gradually morphing into was
becoming what it was becoming in a process of TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
Did we really think that God wasn't there? Did we really think that God
doesn't CARE? He is there, and He does care, and thus he has allowed
Islamic terrorists to come into our midst. When the West becomes truly
Christian once again, God will show us the way out of the mess that we
are in, and He will lead us to victory and peace. But if anyone thinks
that we can deal effectively with the problem of Islamic terrorism --
which is really a symptom rather than the real underlying problem
itself -- without addressing the more fundamental problem of how we as
individuals and as a society are to relate to the Christian God, that
person is not in a position to find a genuine solution. This much is
clear: there is no point in making the world safe for moral degeneracy
and godlessness. If that's the sort of "freedom" that West stands for,
it's not worth defending.

Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:39 AM by cdwitmer


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