[Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
Tony
tonytime at clearwire.net
Mon Jan 29 06:57:05 PST 2007
Sunil, as concerns those seventh century, glazed-eyed lunatics who gleefully
blow up innocent men woman and children, RAGHEAD! RAGHEAD! RAGHEAD!
Do have a pleasant Monday. -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
> Tony,
>
> The only thing you established in our 'last go round' is that you're a
> sphincter. You don't want to be accused of bigotry towards people of
> color?
> Here's a suggestion:
>
> Don't use racial slurs. That will go further than any of your other
> protests. People who aren't bigots don't use racial slurs. Your
> justifications are meaningless, and you share them with more bigots than I
> can count. If you don't wish to be counted with them, knock it off.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>>To: "Nick Gier" <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:48:22 -0800
>>
>>Nick, your tactics are becoming more mean spirited as your argument
>>disintegrates. You accuse me of discriminating against woman for
>>suggesting that their children should be granted life, and for suggesting
>>establishment of a federal victim's rights fund to disburse substantial
>>financial assistance to females victimized by predatory males.
>>Unsatisfied
>>to label me an abuser of woman for standing up in their defense when they
>>have been preyed upon, you then accuse me of bigotry toward people of
>>color. This after I have spoken out against the injustice that is slavery
>>in the same breath as equating it to abortion. Apparently finding
>>yourself
>>on a vicious roll, you then suggest that folks with my views favorable to
>>the rights of minorities, are the same folks who condemned Martin Luther
>>King. A cursory reading of my past postings will reveal that I admire
>>Doctor King immensely, having quoted on several occasions from his more
>>famous speeches.
>>
>>Nick, your above characterizations of me fall flat in light of the written
>>record as recorded on this site. However, given your enthusiasm for the
>>premeditated killing of innocent unborn children, I would have to lend
>>more
>>plausibility to my past characterization of you as Josef Mengele.
>>
>>Your cliché's about a woman's body and her rights are so unpersuasive. It
>>is her BABIES body that is being ripped limb from limb and thrown out with
>>the trash! What of her offspring's rights, you insensitive fool?
>>Applying
>>the death penalty to the likes of a Joseph Duncan is barbaric, you blurt,
>>even as you champion the death penalty as applied to those who are
>>innocent
>>in EVERY CASE!
>>
>>Good God man, Ted Kaczynski was right about one thing, you guys with
>>advanced degrees aren't as smart as you think you are.
>>
>>As for the views of our founding fathers vis a vis abortion, you will,
>>when
>>experiencing a more lucid period, recall that my last posting suggested
>>that perhaps our founder's were being more astute than their contemporary
>>frame of reference allowed by using language which unequivocally declared
>>a
>>right to life as an unalienable human right. The unborn babies growing in
>>their mommy's tummies, are human beings as you grudgingly acknowledge.
>>
>>And professor, as for my crime of "shamelessly flirting" with my female
>>critics on this list, you will, when honesty someday prevails, recall that
>>I have engaged repeatedly with woman on this list in a gracious, polite
>>and
>>thoughtful manner. The sporadic exceptions being when I was attacked with
>>a stream of third grade taunts and hysteria by the local Harpy contingent.
>>In these instances, I responded playfully, attempting to deflect the tone
>>of the discussion using humor. You did not find it amusing. That hardly
>>makes me inappropriate as much as it makes you a humorless boot-licker to
>>the shrill community of feminazis.
>>
>>Yours for an accurate recounting of this discussion as opposed to the
>>manipulative hack job of a supposed scholar.
>>
>> Tony Simpson
>>
>>It is however, never too late to have a change of heart and join the
>>twenty
>>first century in support of LIFE.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Nick Gier
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:11 PM
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>>
>>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> I always find it amusing (but sad) that conservatives are now asking
>> the
>>rest of us to join in the "collective censure of an evolving society"
>>with
>>regard to discrimination against women and people of color. These same
>>people were the ones who condemned Martin Luther King as a lawless Commie
>>and made fun of feminists (and still do).
>>
>> When I began my section on "Women and Ethics," I always asked my
>>students if they agreed with "the theory that women should have political,
>>economic, and social rights equal to those of men." Everyone in the class
>>raised his or her hand. I then told them that this was the definition of
>>feminism in Webster's New World Dictionary. I was happy to have a class
>>full of feminists, some of them reluctant and some of them resentful that
>>I'd tricked them, but there was not a Femo-Nazi or bra burner in sight.
>>
>> I would rather join the consensus of the world community that death
>>penalty is barbaric and that a woman has a right to choose what she does
>>with her own body. This right is even more secure with the knowledge that
>>the early fetus is not a person according the science of fetal development
>>and according to our religious, moral, and legal traditions.
>>
>> The reason why we don't read anything about fetal rights in the
>> writings
>>of our founding thinkers is that it was not on their moral radar screen.
>>If they did not recognize the rights of women or slaves, and refused to
>>see
>>their hypocrisy, then I'm sure that their concern for unborn human beings
>>was as absent as it was among even the most devout Protestants.
>>
>> Our founding thinker's support for the inalienable right of all moral
>>and legal persons is now being fulfilled, and there is a growing consensus
>>that those rights should also extend to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and the
>>transgendered. Until we meet the first ETs, this is, as far as I can see,
>>the last frontier of a truly universal moral consensus on protecting the
>>rights of all persons.
>>
>> Finally, this call for joining a common moral consensus is especially
>>ironic when one of these conservatives chooses to flirt shamelessly with
>>his women critics, insists on typing people according to their headgear,
>>and calls a person who supports a woman's right to choose a Nazi.
>>
>> Yours for the growing moral consensus,
>>
>>
>> Nick Gier
>>
>>
>> I thanks Jennifer McFarlane for the following gem:
>> "Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to
>> human
>>affairs."
>> --Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>
>>
>>
>>
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