[Vision2020] Compassion for All Life

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Tony,

The only thing you established in our 'last go round' is that you're a 
sphincter.  You don't want to be accused of bigotry towards people of color? 
  Here's a suggestion:

Don't use racial slurs.  That will go further than any of your other 
protests.  People who aren't bigots don't use racial slurs.  Your 
justifications are meaningless, and you share them with more bigots than I 
can count.  If you don't wish to be counted with them, knock it off.

Sunil


>From: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
>To: "Nick Gier" <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:48:22 -0800
>
>Nick, your tactics are becoming more mean spirited as your argument 
>disintegrates.  You accuse me of discriminating against woman for 
>suggesting that their children should be granted life, and for suggesting 
>establishment of a federal victim's rights fund to disburse substantial 
>financial assistance to females victimized by predatory males.  Unsatisfied 
>to label me an abuser of woman for standing up in their defense when they 
>have been preyed upon, you then accuse me of bigotry toward people of 
>color.  This after I have spoken out against the injustice that is slavery 
>in the same breath as equating it to abortion.  Apparently finding yourself 
>on a vicious roll, you then suggest that folks with my views favorable to 
>the rights of minorities, are the same folks who condemned Martin Luther 
>King.  A cursory reading of my past postings will reveal that I admire 
>Doctor King immensely, having quoted on several occasions from his more 
>famous speeches.
>
>Nick, your above characterizations of me fall flat in light of the written 
>record as recorded on this site.  However, given your enthusiasm for the 
>premeditated killing of innocent unborn children, I would have to lend more 
>plausibility to my past characterization of you as Josef Mengele.
>
>Your cliché's about a woman's body and her rights are so unpersuasive.  It 
>is her BABIES body that is being ripped limb from limb and thrown out with 
>the trash!  What of her offspring's rights, you insensitive fool?  Applying 
>the death penalty to the likes of a Joseph Duncan is barbaric,  you blurt, 
>even as you champion the death penalty as applied to those who are innocent 
>in EVERY CASE!
>
>Good God man, Ted Kaczynski was right about one thing, you guys with 
>advanced degrees aren't as smart as you think you are.
>
>As for the views of our founding fathers vis a vis abortion, you will, when 
>experiencing a more lucid period, recall that my last posting suggested 
>that perhaps our founder's were being more astute than their contemporary 
>frame of reference allowed by using language which unequivocally declared a 
>right to life as an unalienable human right.  The unborn babies growing in 
>their mommy's tummies, are human beings as you grudgingly acknowledge.
>
>And professor, as for my crime of "shamelessly flirting" with my female 
>critics on this list, you will, when honesty someday prevails, recall that 
>I have engaged repeatedly with woman on this list in a gracious, polite and 
>thoughtful manner.  The sporadic exceptions being when I was attacked with 
>a stream of third grade taunts and hysteria by the local Harpy contingent.  
>In these instances, I responded playfully, attempting to deflect the tone 
>of the discussion using humor.  You did not find it amusing.  That hardly 
>makes me inappropriate as much as it makes you a humorless boot-licker to 
>the shrill community of feminazis.
>
>Yours for an accurate recounting of this discussion as opposed to the 
>manipulative hack job of a supposed scholar.
>
>         Tony Simpson
>
>It is however, never too late to have a change of heart and join the twenty 
>first century in support of LIFE.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Nick Gier
>   To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:11 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Compassion for All Life
>
>
>   Greetings:
>
>   I always find it amusing (but sad) that conservatives are now asking the 
>rest of us to join in the "collective  censure of an evolving society" with 
>regard to discrimination against women and people of color.  These same 
>people were the ones who condemned Martin Luther King as a lawless Commie 
>and made fun of feminists (and still do).
>
>   When I began my section on "Women and Ethics," I always asked my 
>students if they agreed with "the theory that women should have political, 
>economic, and social rights equal to those of men."  Everyone in the class 
>raised his or her hand.  I then told them that this was the definition of 
>feminism in Webster's New World Dictionary.  I was happy to have a class 
>full of feminists, some of them reluctant and some of them resentful that 
>I'd tricked them, but there was not a Femo-Nazi or bra burner in sight.
>
>   I would rather join the consensus of the world community that death 
>penalty is barbaric and that a woman has a right to choose what she does 
>with her own body.  This right is even more secure with the knowledge that 
>the early fetus is not a person according the science of fetal development 
>and according to our religious, moral, and legal traditions.
>
>   The reason why we don't read anything about fetal rights in the writings 
>of our founding thinkers is that it was not on their moral radar screen.  
>If they did not recognize the rights of women or slaves, and refused to see 
>their hypocrisy, then I'm sure that their concern for unborn human beings 
>was as absent as it was among even the most devout Protestants.
>
>   Our founding thinker's support for the inalienable right of all moral 
>and legal persons is now being fulfilled, and there is a growing consensus 
>that those rights should also extend to gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and the 
>transgendered.  Until we meet the first ETs, this is, as far as I can see, 
>the last frontier of a truly universal moral consensus on protecting the 
>rights of all persons.
>
>   Finally, this call for joining a common moral consensus is especially 
>ironic when one of these conservatives chooses to flirt shamelessly with 
>his women critics, insists on typing people according to their headgear, 
>and calls a person who supports a woman's right to choose a Nazi.
>
>   Yours for the growing moral consensus,
>
>
>     Nick Gier
>
>
>     I thanks Jennifer McFarlane for the following gem:
>   "Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to human 
>affairs."
>   --Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
>
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