[Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Fri Jan 26 12:40:25 PST 2007
You're no doubt referring to traveling "evangelist" Reverend Jed. I was on
the receiving end of one of his more nasty invectives in college, and I was
already a Christian. Turns out that he hated me anyway, and he'll have to
answer for his "in the name of Jesus" vitriol, not the kind, thoughtful
ministers who also worked on campus.
His behavior was clearly vile and undoubtedly turned off a lot of people --
folks who might well have given Christianity some thought if they hadn't
been verbally bludgeoned by one of its followers. It's important that
people who represent a cause don't behave in such a way that they alienate
people who might otherwise show interest in and respect for their views.
Jed's screaming fits sours everyone he comes across -- but is marching to
the recruiting office (and I don't think it's still in the mall) equally
offensive?
I don't know. I'm sympathetic to the argument that it's the war, not the
military, we're opposed to, and yet war is fought by those very people or
their proxies. I'm honestly not sure where I land on this one, but I don't
think that those involved in planning the march have within themselves the
kind of blithe disregard, much less hatred, that those effigy-hanging,
flag-burning, obscenity-screaming "anti-war" protesters of years past.
They're the ones whose actions are more rightly compared with the incendiary
vipers like Jed, and who make it much more difficult to decide what the best
thing here is.
keely
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:25:11 -0800
I agree with J and Tom on this. I've opposed this war from the beginning,
and agree with Bill's first and third points entirely. But while I agree
with Bill that troops are the instrument of the policy, I disagree with the
second half of point number 2.
I think those of us opposed to the war should avoid actions that alienate
others from joining us. Poll numbers show how opposition is spreading. I
am concerned that the Bush Administration intends to widen the war by
attacking Iran, and if we the people are going to have any voice in stopping
this, we need to be together. To force people away by protesting against
either the troops or those wishing to join the military simply alienates
people and doesn't accomplish anything.
When I was an undergrad at Davis there was a traveling evangelist who came
to campus every spring. His style was to stand on the quad calling men
'fornicators' and women 'whores.' He'd end up with a crowd around him,
egging him on; it was quite a show, and maybe he thought we deserved to know
we were going to hell because we didn't believe as he did.
I don't think he ever converted anyone.
Setting aside everything else, if the recruiters aren't in those offices at
the mall anymore, it strikes me as pointless to protest there. It makes me
think of Spinal Tap, lost on the way to the stage, yelling "Hello
Cleveland." Why give someone like Dale, who on the one hand has taken
positions against the war, yet instinctively attacks its vocal opponents,
the chance to lampoon you?
Sunil
>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:18:22 -0800
>
>Please do not do this. The best way you can show support for the service
>members as well as help build up our country is to support the service
>members, not rip into them for doing their job.
>
>To say any of this would help others who are considering joining the
>military understand the "folly of their decision" is just plain bunk!
This
>is a coward's way of justifying an attempt to make other feel bad for
>deciding to be of service to their country. Do I agree with the war? On
>many levels - no. BUT, I would never think to hold the service members
>responsible or have them pay a price by embarrassing them by doing this
>type
>of thing, either.
>
>What have any of you done to let the President and Congress know your
>feelings? What have you done to reduce your consumption of oil and other
>products of those financing this war by promoting it? Going after the
>service members or trying to discourage young people from joining what
>could
>possibly be a life altering and supportive organization is not productive
>nor is it patriotic. This country has made many mistakes in the past and
I
>am not saying being in Iraq isn't one of them. What I am saying is going
>after this small group of people who are only doing what they feel is best
>for them and their country is JUST WRONG.
>
>I would be terribly disappointed and reticent to call any of you friends
if
>you do to this march against our service members. Yes, I get you could
>care
>less - but you better start caring for the people whose lives you are
>impacting by being this shallow and this unfeeling. There is absolutely
>nothing worse than having a bunch of know-it-alls who have never done a
>day's service telling those of us who have and are putting our lives on
the
>line for you to be able to continue to have the freedoms you have now,
>calling us names and demeaning our life's mission.
>
>You are not promoting diplomacy or peace - you are encouraging the people
>to
>stand up against their own children and ridicule them.
>
>Shame on all of you that decide to go to this "march for freedom" or
>whatever the hell else you call it. Shame!
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> >To: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
> >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:47:48 -0800
> >
> >While I had nothing to do with the planning of the Jan 27 march or the
> >choice of the recruitment center as a march destination, I support it.
> >why?
> >1. The Iraq war is immoral, wrong, self-defeating and unwinnable. The
>war
> >is creating more terrorists and a more dangerous world.
> >2. The men and women who are considering volunteering for the US forces
> >would become instruments of this immoral policy and deserve to know the
> >folly of that decision.
> >3. The best way to "support the troops" is to save their lives and their
> >sanity, and end this immoral war.
> >BL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <london at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:48 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
> >
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Why is it wrong for recruiters to sign young men and women into our
> > > military? What have they done wrong? If your going to label the
> >recruiter
> >as
> > > a product of this war, shouldn't you also disagree with the thousands
>of
> > > volunteers who have signed the dotted line. If your going to protest
> >stick
> > > to the friendship square please. Don't drag our men and women into
>this
> > > please.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Bill London" <london at moscow.com>
> > > >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > >Subject: [Vision2020] iraq war protest jan 27
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:24:43 -0800
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Protest the Iraq War
> > > > > Saturday Jan 27 at 3:00 pm
> > > > > Friendship Square, Moscow
> > > > >
> > > > > Join with hundreds of thousands of citizens from around
> > > > > the world in saying no to the War in Iraq and President
> > > > > Bush's plan to send more troops .http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
> > > > > It's up to all of us to make the peace movement visible in our
> > > > > communities every day, and to inspire others to get involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be a witness for peace on the Palouse this Saturday, January 27
> > > > > at 3pm in Friendship Square. We will gather at the square, then
> > > > > march to the Army Recruiting Center at the Palouse
> > > > > Empire Mall to protest the recruiting of our young men and
> > > > > women. After that we will walk back to the federal building.
> > > > > Hot soup and drinks will be provided by Seeds of Peace at the
> > > > > federal building.
> > > > > Transportation is available for those who need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > To help plan the event, make signs, or to get more
> > > > > information contact Seeds of Peace at 883-9691
> > > > >
> > > > > ESCALATE DIPLOMACY!
> > > > > SURGE PEACE!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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