[Vision2020] Do the Math

Mon Jan 22 21:17:57 PST 2007

David,

  Why spend even more government resources and the time of someone else on the government payroll? Why not just publicly pressure the person to stop the behavior? 

  Not everything is worth prosecuting and taking $100,000s to investigate. If publicizing it gets them to stop the destructive behavior; mission accomplished. 

  Best,

  Donovan 

david sarff <davesway at hotmail.com> wrote:
  Hi Donovan,
I agree with not looting the treasury. If Dale has a legitimate issue and 
facts he needs to at least show that he has followed a chain of command with 
complaint processes and show acceptance or denial in those circles.
Dave

>>
>David,
>
> What do you expect to see as evidence? Just curious. The University does 
>not monitor every computer on campus, it would not happen. Dale has offered 
>to send anyone a copy of his blog log in file so you can see for yourself. 
>If a computer data log is not evidence, and an email indicating that log is 
>not evidence, and the person admitted to visiting that site, then there can 
>never be evidence of anyone visiting website.
>
> It is entirely possible that someone could open a window for a website 
>and keep it open all day while working on their computer. Any ten year old 
>can do that. So it is not an extraordinary claim.
>
> You can draw whatever conclusions you want based on the evidence. To me, 
>someone making this up and fabricating 378 pages of false accessing files, 
>and finding somebody's IP address at home and work, just to prove someone 
>was visiting their website seems a bit far fetched to me.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
>david sarff wrote:
>
>Dale’s info is suspect. Tom is acting coy.
>No way Tom can waste the level of cash that Dale insinuates and not caught
>hell by now.
>Unless Dale can present a clean accusation. There is nothing to this story 
>.
>Dave
>
>
> >Paul,
> >
> > Your automatic refresh theory is a good one. Unfortunately, if it did,
> >the log would show a refreshing of the page every 5, 10, 15, 30, 60, etc.
> >minutes. The log shows random times, not every exact few minutes from the
> >original log in.
> >
> > I doubt someone would keep the page open intentionally all day everyday,
> >and manually hit refresh randomly throughout the day. Even if someone 
>did,
> >it would indicate a constant monitoring of the blog rather than working.
> >Why keep refreshing a page you are not watching? 30,000+ file accesses is
> >excessive, I know, that is why it was brought up. I know most people surf
> >the net at work once in a while, but this a serious abuse of the 
>privilege,
> >IMHO.
> >
> > Thanks for the alternative theory though.
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> > Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > Dale did not say Tom visited his blog 31,000 times. Dale said his
> > > computer accessed 31,000 files in the last year. There is a
> > > difference. Each time you visit a site, one to ten files can open up
> > > at the same time. A photo for example can count as one file. It is
> > > easy to determine the number of visits by looking at the time of the
> > > access. If you have have 2 files accessed at the same time, that would
> > > be one visit.
> > >
> > > Someone on that computer visits the Dale's Blog several times most
> > > days of the week, as many as twenty or thirty times in a seven hour
> > > period between 7:30 am and 2:30 pm.
> > >
> > > How can access that many files? Let's do that math;
> > >
> > > 20 visits a day, 5 times a week equals 100 visits a week. If each
> > > visit opened 7 files (including photos and graphs) that would be 700
> > > files opened in one week, over 46 weeks of work in the year, that
> > > would equals 32,200 accesses.
> > >
> > > This pretty much is the habit of logging in to Dale's blog from that
> > > IP address if you look at the log of the file as I have.
> > >
> > > If a person were to spend their entire six hour shift monitoring a
> > > Blog, they could hit a site 20 times in a day.
> > >
> > > What is the point of this? The point is that someone on the taxpayer's
> > > dime is monitoring a non related site, and is doing so against UI
> > > policy. May I remind people also, that this is just one website being
> > > accessed by that computer. Is it possible this same computer is going
> > > to other sites as well during the day on the taxpayer's dime?
> > >
> > > I as a taxpayer, don't want to be paying someone to monitor Dale's
> > > Blog. What a waste of UI resources.
> > >
> > > Donovan
> >
> >
> >If he simply loads the page, looks for a new blog entry, and leaves his
> >browser open, then it's not that bad. He just hits "refresh" every so
> >often, possibly between doing other things. Just refresh, read a new
> >comment or two, then come back to it in a half-hour or so. It's also
> >possible he's using RSS feeds if the blog provides them, so it's not
> >necessarily clear that he is even reading them at the times they are
> >accessed. His RSS reader might be configured to check for new content
> >on a regular interval.
> >
> >If he is spending a significant amount of time reading the blog 20 times
> >a day every day instead of doing his work, then you may have a point.
> >But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
> >
> >Paul
> >
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