[Vision2020] Do the Math

Mon Jan 22 12:12:10 PST 2007

Hi Donovan,
I agree with not looting the treasury. If Dale has a legitimate issue and 
facts he needs to at least show that he has followed a chain of command with 
complaint processes and show acceptance or denial in those circles.
Dave

>>
>David,
>
>   What do you expect to see as evidence? Just curious. The University does 
>not monitor every computer on campus, it would not happen. Dale has offered 
>to send anyone a copy of his blog log in file so you can see for yourself. 
>If a computer data log is not evidence, and an email indicating that log is 
>not evidence, and the person admitted to visiting that site, then there can 
>never be evidence of anyone visiting website.
>
>   It is entirely possible that someone could open a window for a website 
>and keep it open all day while working on their computer. Any ten year old 
>can do that. So it is not an extraordinary claim.
>
>   You can draw whatever conclusions you want based on the evidence. To me, 
>someone making this up and fabricating 378 pages of false accessing files, 
>and finding somebody's IP address at home and work, just to prove someone 
>was visiting their website seems a bit far fetched to me.
>
>   Best,
>
>   Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
>david sarff <davesway at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dale’s info is suspect. Tom is acting coy.
>No way Tom can waste the level of cash that Dale insinuates and not caught
>hell by now.
>Unless Dale can present a clean accusation. There is nothing to this story 
>.
>Dave
>
>
> >Paul,
> >
> > Your automatic refresh theory is a good one. Unfortunately, if it did,
> >the log would show a refreshing of the page every 5, 10, 15, 30, 60, etc.
> >minutes. The log shows random times, not every exact few minutes from the
> >original log in.
> >
> > I doubt someone would keep the page open intentionally all day everyday,
> >and manually hit refresh randomly throughout the day. Even if someone 
>did,
> >it would indicate a constant monitoring of the blog rather than working.
> >Why keep refreshing a page you are not watching? 30,000+ file accesses is
> >excessive, I know, that is why it was brought up. I know most people surf
> >the net at work once in a while, but this a serious abuse of the 
>privilege,
> >IMHO.
> >
> > Thanks for the alternative theory though.
> >
> > Donovan
> >
> >Paul Rumelhart wrote:
> > Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > Dale did not say Tom visited his blog 31,000 times. Dale said his
> > > computer accessed 31,000 files in the last year. There is a
> > > difference. Each time you visit a site, one to ten files can open up
> > > at the same time. A photo for example can count as one file. It is
> > > easy to determine the number of visits by looking at the time of the
> > > access. If you have have 2 files accessed at the same time, that would
> > > be one visit.
> > >
> > > Someone on that computer visits the Dale's Blog several times most
> > > days of the week, as many as twenty or thirty times in a seven hour
> > > period between 7:30 am and 2:30 pm.
> > >
> > > How can access that many files? Let's do that math;
> > >
> > > 20 visits a day, 5 times a week equals 100 visits a week. If each
> > > visit opened 7 files (including photos and graphs) that would be 700
> > > files opened in one week, over 46 weeks of work in the year, that
> > > would equals 32,200 accesses.
> > >
> > > This pretty much is the habit of logging in to Dale's blog from that
> > > IP address if you look at the log of the file as I have.
> > >
> > > If a person were to spend their entire six hour shift monitoring a
> > > Blog, they could hit a site 20 times in a day.
> > >
> > > What is the point of this? The point is that someone on the taxpayer's
> > > dime is monitoring a non related site, and is doing so against UI
> > > policy. May I remind people also, that this is just one website being
> > > accessed by that computer. Is it possible this same computer is going
> > > to other sites as well during the day on the taxpayer's dime?
> > >
> > > I as a taxpayer, don't want to be paying someone to monitor Dale's
> > > Blog. What a waste of UI resources.
> > >
> > > Donovan
> >
> >
> >If he simply loads the page, looks for a new blog entry, and leaves his
> >browser open, then it's not that bad. He just hits "refresh" every so
> >often, possibly between doing other things. Just refresh, read a new
> >comment or two, then come back to it in a half-hour or so. It's also
> >possible he's using RSS feeds if the blog provides them, so it's not
> >necessarily clear that he is even reading them at the times they are
> >accessed. His RSS reader might be configured to check for new content
> >on a regular interval.
> >
> >If he is spending a significant amount of time reading the blog 20 times
> >a day every day instead of doing his work, then you may have a point.
> >But let's not jump to conclusions just yet.
> >
> >Paul
> >
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