[Vision2020] The Bible, Map or Territory

Sun Jan 21 07:43:09 PST 2007

My goodness, I'm sorry Dave. My intent was most definitely not to lacerate 
your feelings. If it would make you feel any better to take a swipe at "my 
person" by all means, give it your all. Opyr, Ford, hansen & Campell have 
all had a whack at it with less than impressive results. Perhaps you can 
seize the advantage of having actually met me to score a more telling blow. 
I'm skeptical but who knows?

As to your "misfitness" to play on this island, I am hardly the gatekeeper. 
I think that you do a better job then some of the other broken toys who play 
here and I hope that you continue to interact with us. Just realize that 
occasionally responses might be slightly acerbic.

Just to be clear, I consider myself to be just the tiniest bit conservative 
and somewhat libertarian in outlook. Your posts come across to me as a bow 
shot to the left of even your "lovely fellow" traveler, a political position 
I find repugnant. As a result I am going to disagree with you on a great 
many, if not most, issues and, as I'm sure you remember from times past, I 
have a tendency to sometimes forget myself and become mildly caustic and/or 
sarcastic. It's really nothing personnel. Again, I'm sorry if you were hurt. 
My intent was to administer a hearty poke, not a beating. I also apologize 
for the tardiness of this response.

g

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
To: <jampot at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Bible, Map or Territory

>
> No Gary,
> I read a lot.
> Been working on an Oliver HG 68 lately too, so maybe that's it. Burning 
> some iron here and there, a little welding too.
> Do you trust Kim?...Maybe ask her what the truth is.
> It seems to me you are beating me up just for kicks, and will admit that 
> coming from you, It stings a bit. I could make fun of your person, but 
> don't, because that might hurt both of us and know it would hurt this one.
> I happen to have some off time, so have been posting here more often.
> If you find my misfitness less than appropriate on this island of misfit 
> toys, then you just let me know.  You have some of the finest bullshit 
> antennas anyone could be born with. Outside of being more mean than you 
> realize. I know how to look beyond that and see your validity.
>
> How about you raise the anti on my post about health and well being 
> trumping property rights and thus impacting willing seller, willing buyer?
>
> Dave
>
>
> "The Vandals over the Bronco's. Chevy over ford. Shindaiwa over
>>Huskvarna..DelMonty . So they are innocent by that standard or only as 
>>guilty as any of us."
>>
>>Shake or bud? Drum or Zig-Zag? Bong or roach clip? Are they innocent of 
>>being misused or is someone measurably guilty of posting, post inhalation? 
>>"A vast writhing construct in the  head," to be sure!
>>
>>g
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "david sarff" <davesway at hotmail.com>
>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:53 PM
>>Subject: [Vision2020] The Bible, Map or Territory
>>
>>
>>>If one stands on a tall local hill and gazes out over the Palouse. And 
>>>then,
>>>take a map out and hold it up in comparison . The maps reality and the
>>>Palouse reality are a whole lot different. The map not being the 
>>>territory
>>>if you will. In my opinion this is the degree of accuracy that the bible 
>>>or
>>>any other religious works used as guides in life have to reality. The 
>>>bible
>>>is a print made by man. It is not reality but a guide like attempt at
>>>describing something. That something is a whole lot bigger than us and 
>>>built
>>>all that is to be found, Its all around and interacts with all things. I 
>>>am
>>>an advocate of measuring things and my opinion is that our provably best
>>>tools of measuring reality can be found in science and not blind faith to 
>>>an
>>>old map.
>>>As far as I know, science was born from religious questioning and when 
>>>the
>>>most recent measurements show that the original cartographers were off a
>>>long way, so what of it. I'll use a micrometer to measure the world with
>>>accuracy over a string or my foot any day. That is until a measuring tool
>>>that is more accurate comes along. (and that has already happened).
>>>I can go along with the willing seller and willing buyer concept of 
>>>letting
>>>people choose religion or belief.
>>>If I have a trouble with Christ Church. It is mostly when they take 
>>>actions
>>>as if they are at war with others and use their bible as a map to justify
>>>that. I would respectfully ask them to retract that sort of thinking and
>>>regroup. Odds seem to be against me and anyone who thinks otherwise. That 
>>>is
>>>the problem with the situation. If they didn't project that they were in 
>>>a
>>>war, they would find that they are not in a war. Sort of like Bush in 
>>>that
>>>respect. Not that there isn't a world to contend with and there are a lot 
>>>of
>>>closed minds, all sides involved
>>>My present case opinion is that any real measure into how the Christian
>>>bible was assembled, one has to come away questioning the foundation of 
>>>the
>>>document. Seeing it as the only map of reality mandated by a word of god
>>>makes one a simple victim of branding. And provably so.
>>>Within the willing seller willing buyer world, we see all kinds of 
>>>branding.
>>>The Vandals over the Bronco's. Chevy over ford. Shindaiwa over
>>>Huskvarna..DelMonty . So they are innocent by that standard or only as
>>>guilty as any of us.
>>>Part of the whole function of living for humans is to project fanciful
>>>mystery into the future and follow it. Unlike animals, as far as we know.
>>>Persons can project in their present case minds just what they might do 
>>>next
>>>week, or next year. Unfortunately that natural specialization can cause
>>>whole visions of forward projection and a vast writhing construct in the
>>>head are still only a map to get to someplace and when getting there, 
>>>things
>>>are always different than we think its going to be. Because the silly map
>>>gets confused for reality. That ability is the whole reason we are
>>>successful at wrecking the planet, to fit our mental view, instead of
>>>meeting it on its terms.
>>>Life is what happens to us when we are making other plans, said one 
>>>lovely
>>>fellow.
>>>The same guy got all beat up because he confirmed that it seemed as if 
>>>his
>>>band was more popular than Jesus. He was of course correct in recognizing
>>>the effect of branding and guilty of nothing in his measurement of
>>>observation.
>>>
>>>Good bye Leroy.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
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