[Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Tue Jan 16 16:34:59 PST 2007
Mark,
You said in one of your last posts that the city is paying 50K for a survey.
Do you know what this might include?
Thanks
Matt
>From: Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com>
>To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>, "keely emerinemix"
><kjajmix1 at msn.com>, <anitasonriente at aol.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:00:26 -0800
>
>Hi Gary,
>
>While certainly not a statistically valid survey, I offer this observation
>as someone who is out at Winco shopping for my wife's restaurant at least
>three days a week: I have yet to see someone walking to the store or
>walking away with a grocery bag even though there are all those new/newish
>student apartment blocks within 200 yards.
>
>And that's 600,000 square foot for the proposed Hawkins development, if
>that was what you were referring to. For comparison in size that would be
>about 15 acres under roof or six of the current WalMarts or three East
>City Parks. I applaud the developers proposal to use rainwater
>collection/treated effluent for outdoor landscape irrigation, but that
>still leaves their estimated 40 acre foot per year that has to be pumped
>(about 12.6 million gallons). As I've posted previously, the impact on
>water supply will be felt in Moscow, not Whitman County.
>
>Mark
>
>At 6:06 AM -0800 1/15/07, g. crabtree wrote:
>>Could you explain how one 60,000 sq. ft. retail development is more
>>destructive to the environment than 30-2000 sq. ft. businesses would be?
>>Why do you think that they would use more water? Particularly if they are
>>capturing rain water for their landscaping needs?
>>
>>As to your contention about traffic, I'm sure that people who live within
>>walking distance of a "big box" will. Just the same as with the coffee
>>shops (you don't imagine that all the folks sipping their mochachinno
>>grandes at the various downtown bistros walked there, do you?)
>>
>>Coffee shops, restaurants, and other small enterprises are great but they
>>shouldn't exclude larger development.
>>
>>g
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "keely emerinemix" <<mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>To: <<mailto:anitasonriente at aol.com>anitasonriente at aol.com>
>>Cc: <<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>
>> > You don't sound bitter, just concerned -- and maybe confused about
>>what our
>>> concerns are. Coffee shops (and yes, there are a lot) don't impact the
>>> environment, particularly the water supply, in the same way that huge
>>>retail
>>> complexes do. The coffee shops downtown allow for a great deal of foot
>>> traffic, whereas not many people will walk to the big boxes. And while
>>>I
>>> strongly supported the construction of a new high school out on the
>>>Trail
>>> property northeast of town, it was because of the enormous benefit to
>>>the
>>> community, a benefit that I don't see from out-of-town retail
>>>behemoths.
>>>
>>> But welcome to the fray!
>>>
>>> keely
>>>
>>>
>>> From: <mailto:anitasonriente at aol.com>anitasonriente at aol.com
>>> To: <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> CC: <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:51:37 -0500
>>>
>>> Keely,
>>>
>>> If Moscow suffers economically from the impact, then it should fall on
>>>the
>>> shoulders of the city council. They are the ones that do not want the
>>>new
>>> business'. And besides, Whitman County is being smart.....they want to
>>>grow
>>> with the times and they realize that by bringing these retail shops in,
>>>they
>>> are not only keeping business local, they would have more jobs for
>>>their
>>> community, etc. Oh yeah, but did I mention that Moscow hasn't kept out
>>>the
>>> coffee shops? If I seem "bitter", it is because I would like to see
>>>Moscow
>>> grow as I live here and I believe in my city and I shop locally. But
>>>when
>>> you can go down main street and there are 8 places within a block that
>>>are
>>> either coffee shops or they are restaurants that sell coffees, ie
>>>mocha's,
>>> lattee's, etc., it gets to be a bit much.
>>>
>>> Anita :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> To: <mailto:anitasonriente at aol.com>anitasonriente at aol.com;
>>><mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 8:18 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>>
>>>
>>> I think, smiling Anita, that a lot of folks believe that Moscow would
>>>suffer
>>> from the impact of a huge strip mall between here and Pullman. The
>>>state
>>> line separates jurisdictions; it doesn't eliminate threats or risks
>>>from out
>>> of state.
>>>
>>> keely
>>>
>>> From: <mailto:anitasonriente at aol.com>anitasonriente at aol.com
>>> To: <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Why I didn't vote for Brady......
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:33:13 -0500
>>>
>>> I feel that Kai has made a very valid point. To some the hand shake may
>>>seam
>>> trivial, but I was always taught that making a good first impression is
>>>very
>>> important. The politicians know when they step into the political arena
>>>that
>>> they will be embarking on a long grueling journey with long hours, bad
>>>food,
>>> and even bad breathe for that matter. To make excuses as to why Brady
>>>had a
>>> limp hand shake is simply that....an excuse. I have a hard time with
>>> politicians in general because I simply do not believe a word they say.
>>>For
>>> example, tell me how many of the fine City of Moscow city council
>>>members
>>> are acting on what they promised in their campaigns? They were going to
>>>make
>>> Moscow even better. What, with a another coffee shop downtown? Maybe
>>>instead
>>> of Mayor Chaney and the Moscow City Council sticking their noses in the
>>> happenings of events going on accross the border in Washington, perhaps
>>>they
>>> should keep their vision on what is better for Moscow and go back to
>>>what!
>>> they promised us, the voters during their campaigning :)
>>>
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