[Vision2020] lawyers
Pat Kraut
pkraut at moscow.com
Tue Jan 9 22:12:02 PST 2007
I couldn't agree more Kai. Brian Williams assumes no one knows any history
while he is 'reporting'. I find the same problem with many other so called
'news sources'. It is why I like CSPAN so much...no spin and no one who
feels they need to explain what has been said to someone as unintelligible
as I. I sent a letter to the dems during the election and the letter Dean
sent back started with 'that's what the Republicans want you to think'! As
though I were unable to know anything without following the Republicans
exact line. It would be why the NYT is a failing business as well as many
other newspapers. They lie or skirt the truth in ways that they should be
taken to court with and be tried for treason. The list would be long but you
can sure include Dan Rather and ABC.
The worst part is having a conversation with someone who is ignorant of the
truths and votes accordingly. I recently used the phrase "peace in our time"
with someone and they didn't know what I was referring to and I find that
insulting. Our education system has dummied things down so much we need to
evaluate who is allowed to vote.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor at lataheagle.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
I'm curious, Sue, who in my own workplace do you believe to be a scuzzball?
Does the media get it wrong? Ubetcha, look at the NY Times and the Altantic
Monthy as two examples. I haven't trusted anything the Times has printed for
at least 10 years. The get it wrong far too often.
Last night on NBC News, the warm temperatures back east were a big story.
They had a guy NOAA on, who said it was from El Nino and not global warming.
They offered aup a person who gave a different view saying it was global
warming at work. My problem? NBC News flashed a bunch of stills of C02
emitting things; Cars, trucks, industrial plants, a nuclearpower
plant....... HUH? nuke plants emit CO2?
On the Today Show this morning, Senator Ted, "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy said
he would introduce legislation to cut funding for the Iraq war. He said it
had been done before, with Lebanon and Viet Nam. What he didn't mention
about Viet Nam is that it was at the end of the war when the US was
beginning its pull out. (The subject came up the NPR's Diane Rehm Show
yesterday, or else it would have slipped past me, too.) Did he lie? No. He
took a truth and twisted it to fit.
I may not always agree with NPR's take and/or slant on things, but they tend
to get their facts right more often than not.
Don't even get me started on Katie Couric.....
One final note from me on nationalized health care. So, how do you think the
feds are doing with control of our education system? Yup, No Child Left
Behind sure is popular, isn't it? Working pretty darn well, after all, some
civil servant in D.C. sure knows what's needed in Idaho, and probably thinks
Idaho is a mis-spelling of Iowa.
I find it really ironic that many members of the generation that prided
itself on its mistrust of goverment now wants to place responsibilty for
it's healthcare choices squarely in the hands of those they distrustred in
the 60's and 70's.
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:12 AM
To: Sue Hovey
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
Sue, I found your comments regarding professionalism to be most refreshing.
I agree that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter exemplify the very best in their
profession. Also, where you pointed out that some in a position of trust
abuse that trust by preying on young people, I was reminded once again of
Bill Clinton and his predatory behavior toward woman who functioned under
him.
Thanks again for your astute observations.
Best, -T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>;
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
> Good for you, Keely. My nephew is an environmental lawyer in Seattle. I
> am
> so proud of him and his accomplishments. Just this month he was featured
> on
> the cover of a Seattle magazine as one of the significant persons in that
> city whose good deeds are worthy of celebration. There are scuzzy
> lawyers,
> yes; as there are persons in all fields who are not representative of the
> best of the profession. In the field of communications I would mention
> Rush
> Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. In the ministry and even in my own teaching
> profession all those in positions of trust who prey on young people. No
> profession has a corner on the market when it comes to unethical and
> unprofessional practitioners. Were it possible to purge the ranks of all
> of
> them that would be a cause to celebrate. Perhaps one way to begin to do
> that is for those who malign other professions to examine their own as
> well.
>>From my own perspective I feel Kai might even start in his own workplace.
>
> Sue Hovey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> To: <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
>
>
>> I'm getting tired of all of the lawyer-bashing here.
>>
>> Yeah, sometimes bad lawyers do reprehensible things. Welcome to a fallen
>> world; there isn't a profession in it whose practitioners are all pure
>> and
>> free from temptations of greed and power. But I'm astonished at how
>> easily
>> people who enjoy freedom and a secure social order blast an entire
>> profession whose efforts safeguard what they hold dear, and then presume
>> to
>> run to them when their rights are trampled on. We all benefit from the
>> highest ideals of the law, and most of us have not suffered directly from
>> the bad behavior of some in the profession. On the contrary. We're
>> better
>> off because of law and the lawyers who study, administer, and guide us
>> through it.
>>
>> It occurs to me that it is the provence of the secure and relatively
>> affluent -- I might say "privileged" -- to malign lawyers. Try seeing
>> through the eyes of the disenfranchised, the victimized, the poor, and
>> the
>> voiceless, for whom the long arm of a vicious society constantly reaches.
>> In Spanish, the word for lawyer, "abogado," is similar to "advocate." In
>> my
>> work with Mexican immigrants, I saw many examples of injustice, and I saw
>> a
>> few times when righteousness and justice were accomplished through
>> lawyers
>> -- advocates for those without one. I thank God for those women and men
>> who
>> safeguard the freedoms of both the most privileged and the least of those
>> among us. Respect for the professions compels me to lament the bad ones,
>> but it also requires that I extend my gratitude to the good ones who I
>> know
>> are the majority.
>>
>> keely
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Kai Eiselein" <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Health Care
>> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:55:23 +0000
>>
>> I notice that Nick left out a critcal element in the health care issue:
>> LAWYERS.
>> How much of the high cost is a direct result of sleazy litigators and
>> their
>> often frivolous lawsuits, which result in higher malpractice insurance
>> costs, which are then passed on to consumers?
>> One of the hardest hit areas in medicine is in the OB specialty and many
>> highly qualified practitioners are leaving it because of outrageous
>> insurance costs.
>> When are people going to learn that doctors are not miracle workers,
>> people
>> die. Things don't always work out as planned or hoped, an unforseen
>> complication here an alergic reaction there and, suddenly, a greezy
>> shyster
>> shows up and says its worth millions.
>> This isn't to say that doctors shouldn't be held accountable for their
>> mistakes, they should, but there are things out of their control as well.
>> Get the scuzzball attorneys under control first, then see what happens.
>> But
>> we know that won't happen with the number of sharks we've elected to
>> national office. They'll protect their own.
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