[Vision2020] lawyers
Kai Eiselein, editor
editor at lataheagle.com
Tue Jan 9 15:46:54 PST 2007
Sue,
I am sorry you had an "off" dealing with my paper and/or staff. This is the
first I've heard of it, as with any other business we do occasionally drop
the ball. Deadlines, miscommunication and last minute revisions sometimes
cause errors.
Please accept my personal apology. To be honest, I very, very rarely deal
with advertising, except to sometimes complain that I don't have enough room
for photos or copy because of it, so I am often out of the loop in that
department.
I am proud of our little paper and the work we do and I always want to make
it better, and that includes wanting to know when we've goofed so I can
figure out a way to keep it from happening in the future.
I may be a loudmouthed, opinionated, obstinate, undereducated, chainsmoking,
politically incorrect jackass, but I want to get the job done right.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Hovey [mailto:suehovey at moscow.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Kai Eiselein, editor; Tony
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
Kai,
My apologies, I have never found anyone working for the Latah Eagle to be a
scuzzball. This past election season, I was disappointed that I was talked
into a spur of the moment ad because someone else had reserved space and
hadn't turned in the copy, so I said ok, paid for it and then it wasn't
printed that week. I did, however, receive a credit on the next week's ad
which was not nearly as well done as the one of two year's before. I did
not get a chance to proof it and the excuse was that it was emailed to me
and I didn't get back in time. I did not receive the email and when I went
in to check, it had already been done and I was too late. I inferred from
what was told me that someone wasn't being quite truthful and was simply
passing the buck--again. I was disappointed, but not nearly ready to define
anyone by the terms set out in your denigration of the law profession. A
tad dishonest perhaps, trying to save ones own skin perhaps, somewhat lax in
publication protocol, but never, never scuzzy. So I do apologize again for
my hyperbole.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kai Eiselein, editor" <editor at lataheagle.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>; "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] lawyers
> I'm curious, Sue, who in my own workplace do you believe to be a
> scuzzball?
> Does the media get it wrong? Ubetcha, look at the NY Times and the
> Altantic
> Monthy as two examples. I haven't trusted anything the Times has printed
> for
> at least 10 years. The get it wrong far too often.
> Last night on NBC News, the warm temperatures back east were a big story.
> They had a guy NOAA on, who said it was from El Nino and not global
> warming.
> They offered aup a person who gave a different view saying it was global
> warming at work. My problem? NBC News flashed a bunch of stills of C02
> emitting things; Cars, trucks, industrial plants, a nuclearpower
> plant....... HUH? nuke plants emit CO2?
> On the Today Show this morning, Senator Ted, "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy said
> he would introduce legislation to cut funding for the Iraq war. He said it
> had been done before, with Lebanon and Viet Nam. What he didn't mention
> about Viet Nam is that it was at the end of the war when the US was
> beginning its pull out. (The subject came up the NPR's Diane Rehm Show
> yesterday, or else it would have slipped past me, too.) Did he lie? No. He
> took a truth and twisted it to fit.
> I may not always agree with NPR's take and/or slant on things, but they
> tend
> to get their facts right more often than not.
> Don't even get me started on Katie Couric.....
> One final note from me on nationalized health care. So, how do you think
> the
> feds are doing with control of our education system? Yup, No Child Left
> Behind sure is popular, isn't it? Working pretty darn well, after all,
> some
> civil servant in D.C. sure knows what's needed in Idaho, and probably
> thinks
> Idaho is a mis-spelling of Iowa.
> I find it really ironic that many members of the generation that prided
> itself on its mistrust of goverment now wants to place responsibilty for
> it's healthcare choices squarely in the hands of those they distrustred in
> the 60's and 70's.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:12 AM
> To: Sue Hovey
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
>
>
> Sue, I found your comments regarding professionalism to be most
> refreshing.
> I agree that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter exemplify the very best in
> their
> profession. Also, where you pointed out that some in a position of trust
> abuse that trust by preying on young people, I was reminded once again of
> Bill Clinton and his predatory behavior toward woman who functioned under
> him.
>
> Thanks again for your astute observations.
>
> Best, -T
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> To: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>; <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
>
>
>> Good for you, Keely. My nephew is an environmental lawyer in Seattle. I
>> am
>> so proud of him and his accomplishments. Just this month he was featured
>> on
>> the cover of a Seattle magazine as one of the significant persons in that
>> city whose good deeds are worthy of celebration. There are scuzzy
>> lawyers,
>> yes; as there are persons in all fields who are not representative of the
>> best of the profession. In the field of communications I would mention
>> Rush
>> Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. In the ministry and even in my own teaching
>> profession all those in positions of trust who prey on young people. No
>> profession has a corner on the market when it comes to unethical and
>> unprofessional practitioners. Were it possible to purge the ranks of all
>> of
>> them that would be a cause to celebrate. Perhaps one way to begin to
>> do
>> that is for those who malign other professions to examine their own as
>> well.
>>>From my own perspective I feel Kai might even start in his own workplace.
>>
>> Sue Hovey
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "keely emerinemix" <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>> To: <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] lawyers
>>
>>
>>> I'm getting tired of all of the lawyer-bashing here.
>>>
>>> Yeah, sometimes bad lawyers do reprehensible things. Welcome to a
>>> fallen
>>> world; there isn't a profession in it whose practitioners are all pure
>>> and
>>> free from temptations of greed and power. But I'm astonished at how
>>> easily
>>> people who enjoy freedom and a secure social order blast an entire
>>> profession whose efforts safeguard what they hold dear, and then presume
>>> to
>>> run to them when their rights are trampled on. We all benefit from the
>>> highest ideals of the law, and most of us have not suffered directly
>>> from
>>> the bad behavior of some in the profession. On the contrary. We're
>>> better
>>> off because of law and the lawyers who study, administer, and guide us
>>> through it.
>>>
>>> It occurs to me that it is the provence of the secure and relatively
>>> affluent -- I might say "privileged" -- to malign lawyers. Try seeing
>>> through the eyes of the disenfranchised, the victimized, the poor, and
>>> the
>>> voiceless, for whom the long arm of a vicious society constantly
>>> reaches.
>>> In Spanish, the word for lawyer, "abogado," is similar to "advocate."
>>> In
>>> my
>>> work with Mexican immigrants, I saw many examples of injustice, and I
>>> saw
>>> a
>>> few times when righteousness and justice were accomplished through
>>> lawyers
>>> -- advocates for those without one. I thank God for those women and men
>>> who
>>> safeguard the freedoms of both the most privileged and the least of
>>> those
>>> among us. Respect for the professions compels me to lament the bad
>>> ones,
>>> but it also requires that I extend my gratitude to the good ones who I
>>> know
>>> are the majority.
>>>
>>> keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Kai Eiselein" <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Health Care
>>> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:55:23 +0000
>>>
>>> I notice that Nick left out a critcal element in the health care issue:
>>> LAWYERS.
>>> How much of the high cost is a direct result of sleazy litigators and
>>> their
>>> often frivolous lawsuits, which result in higher malpractice insurance
>>> costs, which are then passed on to consumers?
>>> One of the hardest hit areas in medicine is in the OB specialty and many
>>> highly qualified practitioners are leaving it because of outrageous
>>> insurance costs.
>>> When are people going to learn that doctors are not miracle workers,
>>> people
>>> die. Things don't always work out as planned or hoped, an unforseen
>>> complication here an alergic reaction there and, suddenly, a greezy
>>> shyster
>>> shows up and says its worth millions.
>>> This isn't to say that doctors shouldn't be held accountable for their
>>> mistakes, they should, but there are things out of their control as
>>> well.
>>> Get the scuzzball attorneys under control first, then see what happens.
>>> But
>>> we know that won't happen with the number of sharks we've elected to
>>> national office. They'll protect their own.
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