[Vision2020] The Dougs et al.

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Yes Ralph if you say so.

But my hope is still in the resurrection of that dead body to be 
rejoined with my living spirit that would be residing in the presence 
of the Creator of the Universe, the Savior you mentioned from Isaiah 
43:11.

So I will ask my question once again... When did you stop believing?



Doug !




-----Original Message-----
From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
To: heirdoug at netscape.net; Vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: The Dougs et al.

You should be ashamed, Doug. You rip the Hebrew psalm completely out of 
its context and write the silly drivel below. You are certainly dodging 
the issue, aren't you?

As for saviors, this was written hundreds of years before Xianity was 
invented.

"I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:11).

But however much you twist the Hebrew scriptures to make them say what 
they do not say, you are still headed for Sheol when you die.

Ralph

On Feb 26, 2007, at 3:40 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>
> Ralph,
>
> We sing the Psalms each week. So if we sing Psalm 55 then we must > 
be and we are not ashamed.
>
> But if you really read the Scriptures as you say you do and if the > 
Holy Spirit gives you any understanding what so ever, then you > would 
know that the passage that I cited is for those who once > believed and 
now have turned their back on the Savior of all > mankind. I know that 
you were Baptized in the Name of the Father > and the Son and the Holy 
Ghost so when did you stop believing?
>
> lemeno, Doug!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
> To: heirdoug at netscape.net
> Subject: Re: The Dougs et al.
>
> Be careful how you quote scripture, Doug. Others can do the same. > 
You quoted from Psalm 55, so can I.
>
> "Let Him [God] incite death against them; may they go down alive > 
into Sheol!" (Psalm 55:16a NJPS).
>
> Because the opening statement is part of the text of the Psalms, it > 
is called verse 1 in Jewish Bibles. So this verse is vs. 15 in Xian > 
Bibles.
>
> The Jewish Study Bible has this note: 16: The phrase "to go down > 
alive into Sheol," also used in Num. 16:33, expresses sudden death.
>
> Is this the kind of imprecatory prayer they utter in Christ Church? > 
I have a feeling I have been the object of this kind of prayer for > a 
number of years. And you do know where and what Sheol is, don't > you, 
Doug? That's where we all go, both good and evil, when we die. > See 
Eccles. 3:17-21. The last verse is a rhetorical question; the > answer 
is No. And don't forget that "those who go down to Sheol do > not come 
up" (Job 7:9). So be careful what you pray for, because > you might get 
there sooner than you think.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:04 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:
>
>> Chas,
>>
>> His speech was smoother than butter, But his heart was war;
>> His words were softer than oil, Yet they were drawn swords. Ps 55:21

>> Heirdoug

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