[Vision2020] The Dougs et al.

[heirdoug at netscape.net]

Ralph,

We sing the Psalms each week. So if we sing Psalm 55 then we must be 
and we are not ashamed.

But if you really read the Scriptures as you say you do and if the Holy 
Spirit gives you any understanding what so ever, then you would know 
that the passage that I cited is for those who once believed and now 
have turned their back on the Savior of all mankind. I know that you 
were Baptized in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost 
so when did you stop believing?

lemeno, Doug!



-----Original Message-----
From: nielsen at uidaho.edu
To: heirdoug at netscape.net
Cc: chasuk at gmail.com; kjajmix1 at msn.com; Vision2020 at moscow.com; 
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: The Dougs et al.

Be careful how you quote scripture, Doug. Others can do the same. You 
quoted from Psalm 55, so can I.

"Let Him [God] incite death against them; may they go down alive into 
Sheol!" (Psalm 55:16a NJPS).

Because the opening statement is part of the text of the Psalms, it is 
called verse 1 in Jewish Bibles. So this verse is vs. 15 in Xian 
Bibles.

The Jewish Study Bible has this note: 16: The phrase "to go down alive 
into Sheol," also used in Num. 16:33, expresses sudden death.

Is this the kind of imprecatory prayer they utter in Christ Church? I 
have a feeling I have been the object of this kind of prayer for a 
number of years. And you do know where and what Sheol is, don't you, 
Doug? That's where we all go, both good and evil, when we die. See 
Eccles. 3:17-21. The last verse is a rhetorical question; the answer is 
No. And don't forget that "those who go down to Sheol do not come up" 
(Job 7:9). So be careful what you pray for, because you might get there 
sooner than you think.

Ralph


On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:04 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

> Chas,
>
> His speech was smoother than butter, But his heart was war;
> His words were softer than oil, Yet they were drawn swords. Ps 55:21
>
>
>
> On 2/26/07, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I do think that Ralph Nielsen doesn't believe in and even derides 
the
> Christian faith -- that seems obvious, and just as obvious should > 
be that every dissent isn't an attack.
>
> Keely, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to have to, here. I
> equate derision with contempt, and Ralph Nielsen has never been
> contemptuous of Christianity, at least not that he has displayed on
> Vision2020. Truthfully, for someone who is a disbeliever, I find
> Ralph exceedingly respectful.
>
> If we had been talking about Art Deco, I might agree (sorry to drag
> you into this, Art). I acknowledge that I am sometimes contemptuous
> of Christianity (though not necessarily of Christians), but I don't
> think that Ralph is.
>
> What do you say, Ralph? Are you contemptuous/derisive of
> Christianity, anti-theistic (which describes me), or something else
> altogether?
>
> Chas

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