[Vision2020] The Dougs et al.

[Ralph Nielsen]

Be careful how you quote scripture, Doug. Others can do the same. You  
quoted from Psalm 55, so can I.

"Let Him [God] incite death against them; may they go down alive into  
Sheol!" (Psalm 55:16a NJPS).

Because the opening statement is part of the text of the Psalms, it  
is called verse 1 in Jewish Bibles. So this verse is vs. 15 in Xian  
Bibles.

The Jewish Study Bible has this note: 16: The phrase "to go down  
alive into Sheol," also used in Num. 16:33, expresses sudden death.

Is this the kind of imprecatory prayer they utter in Christ Church? I  
have a feeling I have been the object of this kind of prayer for a  
number of years. And you do know where and what Sheol is, don't you,  
Doug? That's where we all go, both good and evil, when we die. See  
Eccles. 3:17-21. The last verse is a rhetorical question; the answer  
is No. And don't forget that "those who go down to Sheol do not come  
up" (Job 7:9). So be careful what you pray for, because you might get  
there sooner than you think.

Ralph



On Feb 26, 2007, at 1:04 PM, heirdoug at netscape.net wrote:

> Chas,
>
> His speech was smoother than butter, But his heart was war;
> His words were softer than oil, Yet they were drawn swords. Ps 55:21
>
>
>
> On 2/26/07, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I do think that Ralph Nielsen doesn't believe in and even derides the
> Christian faith -- that seems obvious, and just as obvious should  
> be that every dissent isn't an attack.
>
> Keely, I hate to disagree with you, but I'm going to have to, here. I
> equate derision with contempt, and Ralph Nielsen has never been
> contemptuous of Christianity, at least not that he has displayed on
> Vision2020. Truthfully, for someone who is a disbeliever, I find
> Ralph exceedingly respectful.
>
> If we had been talking about Art Deco, I might agree (sorry to drag
> you into this, Art). I acknowledge that I am sometimes contemptuous
> of Christianity (though not necessarily of Christians), but I don't
> think that Ralph is.
>
> What do you say, Ralph? Are you contemptuous/derisive of
> Christianity, anti-theistic (which describes me), or something else
> altogether?
>
> Chas