[Vision2020] Kit demonstrates lack of tolerance

Tony tonytime at clearwire.net
Sun Feb 18 14:32:26 PST 2007


Kit, where in hell do you get the authority to tell me or anyone else to 
shut up?  We say something you disapprove of and you, being the tolerant 
little lib that you are, demand they be silenced!  Like the shrill Queen of 
Hearts in Alice in Wonderland, you shriek, OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!

Your arrogance and intolerance are truly breathtaking in their magnitude.

Let me be as unambiguous as possible:  I will exercise my right under the 
first amendment to say anything I please, regardless of your tender 
sensibilities.  In that vein, may I reiterate:

                                               RAGHEAD!

                                               RAGHEAD!!

                                               RAGHEAD!!!

Do have a pleasant week.

Your friend,  -Tony


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-Soldier Playwright Spotlights Abu Ghraib


> What part of "Enough of the RAGHEAD business" didn't you understand?'
>
> I don't give a dying duck what supposed point you are trying to make. 
> Your bigotted bullying is unacceptably uncivil behavior.
>
> If you are attempting to engage in a dialog, knock off the insults.  Make 
> a mature, adult argument and perhaps we could have a dialog.  Otherwise, 
> shut up.
>
> Kit Craine
>
> On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Tony wrote:
>
>> Ummm, OK Kit, I hope this posting does not disappoint you.  What 
>> precisely is "flaming" someone?  And I'm curious as to your cryptic 
>> advise that I know who I am talking to before responding.  Is Kit  Craine 
>> a pen name?  Are you a covert operative for the Soviet  block?  In 
>> Witness Protection perhaps?
>>
>> As for the specific points in my post, such as why Casteel did not  fit 
>> in at West Point and why he allowed himself to be manipulated  by a 
>> prisoner, you were mute.  Was it your intention to ignore the  substance 
>> of my message in favor of venting, or did you have a  substantive 
>> response?
>>
>> Curious,  -Tony
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine at verizon.net>
>> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-Soldier Playwright Spotlights Abu Ghraib
>>
>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> Enough with the RAGHEAD business. It adds nothing to the discussion.
>>> It does show you to be a bigot and a bully who uses a stereotype to
>>> avoid thinking. That attitude does NOT contribute to a meaningful
>>> dialog. If you want to attack others on this forum, do it in private.
>>>
>>> Kit Craine
>>>
>>> P.S. When you flame me for this post, know who you are talking to.
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Tony wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom, why did Casteel not fit in at west point?
>>>>
>>>> And why did he not tell his raghead prisoner that we were NOT there
>>>> to kill,
>>>> but to pursue those who murdered 3 thousand of our fellow citizens
>>>> on 911?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like that raghead found himself an easy mark in Casteel,
>>>> whose faith
>>>> in his cause and country was never there to begin with.
>>>>
>>>> Later pal,   -Tony
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 1:42 PM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Ex-Soldier Playwright Spotlights Abu Ghraib
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From the Army Times at www.ArmyTimes.com -
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Ex-soldier playwright spotlights Abu Ghraib
>>>>>
>>>>> By Todd Dvorak - The Associated Press
>>>>> Posted : Friday Feb 16, 2007 8:45:27 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> IOWA CITY, Iowa - Joshua Casteel spent eight months at Iraq's
>>>>> infamous Abu
>>>>> Ghraib prison, interrogating teenage boys, grandfathers, taxi
>>>>> drivers,
>>>>> religious leaders and an occasional self-professed jihadist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since leaving Iraq, then later the Army in May 2005, Casteel has
>>>>> struggled
>>>>> to make sense of his experience, coming to terms with what he
>>>>> considers
>>>>> questionable techniques used by fellow interrogators. From his
>>>>> effort to
>>>>> deal with post-traumatic stress and ensuing spasms of guilt has
>>>>> come a
>>>>> play
>>>>> that opens this weekend at the University of Iowa.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Returns" is Casteel's first play, an autobiographical journey  with a
>>>>> smattering of anti-war sentiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's more personal than political," said Casteel, a 27-year-old
>>>>> student
>>>>> in
>>>>> the playwright division of the Writers' Workshop at the  University of
>>>>> Iowa.
>>>>> "I wanted to tell the stories of the people I interrogated - the
>>>>> story of
>>>>> ... those who committed torture and what happened to them and
>>>>> their search
>>>>> for forgiveness."
>>>>>
>>>>> The play begins when Casteel arrives in Iraq, eight months after
>>>>> photographs
>>>>> surfaced showing the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. The
>>>>> scandal
>>>>> has led to the convictions of 11 enlisted soldiers for cruelty and
>>>>> mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.
>>>>>
>>>>>> From there, the play unfolds in vignettes that skip across time  and
>>>>> continents. Some are set in the prison with Casteel, playing the
>>>>> lead role
>>>>> of James, questioning Ahmed, a prisoner dressed in an orange
>>>>> jumpsuit who
>>>>> is
>>>>> accused of attending terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Others are set after James and his small circle of military
>>>>> friends have
>>>>> returned home. At times, the cast fondly recalls the laughs and  light
>>>>> moments shared in war. Other scenes are more troubling, such as the
>>>>> recurring theme of Mark, a fictional interrogator who engaged in
>>>>> torture
>>>>> and
>>>>> seeks forgiveness from James, who is reluctant to give it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Casteel said his own battles with post-traumatic stress and his
>>>>> struggles
>>>>> to
>>>>> savor the quiet moments in his postwar life account for the play's
>>>>> form.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The hardest thing for me when I got back was just being still,"
>>>>> Casteel
>>>>> said. "It was hard for me to write for long periods of time and
>>>>> focus,
>>>>> which
>>>>> is why I wrote this in vignettes and short periods of action."
>>>>>
>>>>> A native of Cedar Rapids, Casteel grew up an evangelical
>>>>> Christian, spent
>>>>> summers at Christian Bible camps and was president of his high
>>>>> school's
>>>>> Young Republicans club. As a junior in high school, he enlisted in
>>>>> the
>>>>> Army
>>>>> Reserve and after graduation enrolled in the U.S. Military Academy,
>>>>> quitting
>>>>> after five months at West Point.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I felt too claustrophobic and stifled there, too different," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> But after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Casteel re- enlisted,
>>>>> opting
>>>>> for the Army's intensive Arabic language and interrogation
>>>>> training. He
>>>>> deployed to Baghdad in 2004, postponing an invitation to enroll in
>>>>> the
>>>>> seminary.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the time of his arrival, the prison was already operating under
>>>>> reforms
>>>>> prompted by the scandal. Yet Casteel said friends assigned to  special
>>>>> forces
>>>>> and mobile interrogation units, operating outside the prison, used
>>>>> tools
>>>>> that conflicted with international law. In the play, Casteel
>>>>> incorporates
>>>>> techniques to induce hypothermia as well as loud music, bright
>>>>> lights,
>>>>> kicking and punching.
>>>>>
>>>>> After eight months in Abu Ghraib and a series of interrogations
>>>>> with a
>>>>> 22-year-old jihadist prisoner, Casteel had had enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We began to discuss war and violence," Casteel said. "I asked him
>>>>> why he
>>>>> came to kill, and he asked me why I did? At that point, I knew I
>>>>> could go
>>>>> no
>>>>> further, unless I wanted to get into a debate about which one of
>>>>> us had
>>>>> the
>>>>> more just cause."
>>>>>
>>>>> Casteel filed for conscientious objector status in February 2005  and
>>>>> received an honorable discharge three months later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then, he has given talks about the war. Last year, he
>>>>> performed part
>>>>> of "Returns" at a fundraiser for Human Rights Watch in Great
>>>>> Britain at
>>>>> the
>>>>> invitation of David Gothard, associated director of the Abbey
>>>>> Theatre,
>>>>> Ireland's national theater. Gothard, a guest professor at the
>>>>> University
>>>>> of
>>>>> Iowa this semester, is the director of "Returns."
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think this is going to be a major play," Gothard said. "I think
>>>>> it's a
>>>>> brilliant example of someone who realizes halfway through what
>>>>> he's doing
>>>>> in
>>>>> war, stops everything and begins writing on the raw edge of the
>>>>> situation
>>>>> we're in."
>>>>>
>>>>> The play is also scheduled to be performed Monday at Columbia
>>>>> College in
>>>>> Chicago.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "It's hard for me, living in this beautiful White House, to give
>>>>> you a
>>>>> firsthand assessment. I haven't been there. You have. I haven't."
>>>>>
>>>>> -- George W. Bush, when asked by ABC reporter Martha Raddatz if
>>>>> there is a
>>>>> civil war in Iraq
>>>>>
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