[Vision2020] Godwin's strike laws again!

[Tony]

Sunil's campaign to stamp out bigotry is well intentioned.  No doubt he soon 
will get after the Lewiston Morning Tribune for the use of terms such as 
redneck, knuckle - dragger and gun nut to describe conservative Idahoans.

You go, councilor!

-T
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!


> Gary,
>
> So if an African-American killed the same person in the manner you 
> describe,
> the statement "That miserable nigger just cut the head off of a American
> non-combatant," would not be racist?
>
> You're right, I don't like or agree with your rationale.
>
> I think it's a mistake to link emotion with the use of racist language or
> attitudes.  Racist decisions and statements are easily made in the absence
> of emotion; I think they're the results of attitudes developed over a
> lifetime and ingrained in cultures and individual people.  I don't think 
> any
> particular 'race' or group has a monopoly on racism.  I know I've often
> heard racist statements expresses as casually as a request for a drink of
> water.  There's no requirement for actions as you suggest; statements
> express one's views quite effectively.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:12:39 -0800
>>
>>Well Sunil, since you insist on trying to chase me out onto a thin limb,
>>I'll give you my take on comments such as the one you refer to. You won't
>>like or agree with it, I suspect, but here goes. Please bare in mind that 
>>I
>>speak for myself and not anyone else to who you might attribute a lack of
>>sensitivity.
>>
>>When someone makes a remark like "All ragheads are vermin and have no 
>>right
>>to live" it is inexcusably racist and deserves to be denounced at every
>>possible turn.
>>
>>When someone says "That miserable raghead just cut the head off of a
>>American non-combatant," it is a minor lapse of manner(s) or tact.
>>Unfortunate but, forgivable. Not, in my opinion, an indication of racism
>>per se.
>>
>>In the first you are calmly stating your contemptible and unsupportable
>>opinion of a large group/race of people. In the second you are expressing
>>your anger and frustration at an individual or small group of proven evil
>>doers with language that is intemperate and poorly chosen.
>>
>>Racism is, in my opinion, demonstrated by actions. It is hinted at,
>>sometimes incorrectly, by individual words.
>>
>>
>>
>>I hope that this does not change your opinion of my fitness as company on
>>the list.
>>
>>g
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:31 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>>
>>
>> > Gary,
>> >
>> > Are racist slurs minor lapses of manner or tact?
>> >
>> > I hope this question isn't considered trash talk, or 'self righteous,
>>self
>> > satisfied, school yard sputtering,' though you may well consider me an
>> > additional player; happy to have you as company on that list.
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at adelphia.net>
>> >>To: <debismith at moscow.com>, <suehovey at moscow.com>,
>><vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Godwin's Law Strikes Again!
>> >>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:07:27 -0800
>> >>
>> >>Extremely interesting. Should someone from the mildly conservative side
>>of
>> >>the fence have a minor lapse of manners or tact, the squealing and
>> >>castigation rises to a level at which our canine friends experience
>> >>profound and lasting aural pain.
>> >>
>> >>But on the other hand it's OK to demean the offender with a level of
>> >>calumny several orders of magnitude greater then anything originally
>>said.
>> >>I mean really, when you feel you have to resort to not so subtly 
>> >>calling
>> >>someone's mother a bitch along with the silly BS in the post to which
>>I'm
>> >>responding, you really have to wonder If Ms. Hovey, Ms. R-S, Mr. Fox,
>>and
>> >>the rest of the usual suspects have any sense of irony at all. Double
>> >>standard risen to the power of hypocritical joke. What's even funnier 
>> >>is
>> >>that this communication will likely raise the trash talk to the next
>>level
>> >>as well as spread it to additional players. Who needs comedy central
>>when
>> >>we've got the V.
>> >>
>> >>Commence self righteous, self satisfied, school yard sputtering,
>> >>g
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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