[Vision2020] Mitchell report on steroid use in MLB - Scandalous!

Scott Dredge sdredge at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 14 10:54:28 PST 2007

Well...you make some good points Tom.  Hank Aaron is absolutely a class act.  I was thinking more in terms of the Babe's accomplishments relative to his era where he was by himself hitting more home runs than the entire teams were hitting.  And as for the stories about his heavy partying and womanizing during the roaring 1920s (again relative to his era), I first heard about them when I was in my late teens and my initial thoughts were pretty much "Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball  player of all time!".  If we're talking about the big picture of class act, great role model, great ambassador for the game, no steroids, no debauchery, most legitimate career home runs, etc., then I agree that Hank takes the cake.


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I beg to differ with you, Mr. Dredge.


The greatest home run hitter for all time
was, is, and will always be “Hammerin’ Hank” Aaron.  He
was not a womanizer.  He never used steroids and never abused alcohol. 
He is what baseball should be about, setting an example for our children. 
Hank Aaron did just that with grace, dignity, and the respect of every fan of
the game and every player that ever wore a jersey from Boston 
to San Diego and Miami 
to Seattle .


You see, Mr. Dredge, baseball is more than
scoring runs.  It is the heart and attitude of the people.


As James Earl Jones said in his role as the
famous 60's writer Terrance Mann in the movie “Field of Dreams”:
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball.
 America has
rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard,
rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this
game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and
that could be again.”




Seeya round town, Moscow .

 Tom Hansen

 Moscow , Idaho

"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."

- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007) 

vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Scott Dredge

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007
10:52 PM

To: viz

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mitchell
report on steroid use in MLB - Scandalous!


Hot dogs, beer, and
women.  It was heaven on earth for the Babe / the Bambino / the Sultan of
Swat / the King of Swing / the Colossus of Clout / the Prince of Power / the
greatest home run hitter the history of the world / the best there was then and
the best there ever will be.


----- Original Message

From: Carl Westberg 
<carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com>

To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>; Scott Dredge
<sdredge at yahoo.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:37:03 PM

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And to think that Babe Ruth did it all with hot dogs and beer.  
 Carl Westberg Jr.

From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com

To: sdredge at yahoo.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:54:33 -0800

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Mitchell report on steroid use in MLB - Scandalous!

Hey, they totally busted Roger Clemens.  


Oh yeah, that was AFTER he left the Red Sox and resurrected
his career on steroids with the Yankees.  


To get a feel for what steroids could do for you, you don't
just need to look at Barry Bonds increasing hat size and home run numbers, look
at Clemens.  He won 192 games for the Red Sox from 1984-1996, while losing
111.  But his last four years with the Red Sox as his body gave out,
1993-96, he won 11, 9, 10 and 10, while losing 14, 7, 5 and 13.  He was
basically a .500 pitcher for those four years at 40-39.  He goes to
 Toronto and is immediately 21-7, and then with the Yanks
is 20-6, 14-10, 13-8, 20-3, 13-6, 17-9, followed by 18-4 in
 Houston in 2004, 13-8, and 7-6, before
returning to the Yanks and going 7-6 this year.  


Based on the reports of his extensive "juicing"
with the Yankees and what he did his last four years w/ the Red Sox
before discovering the juice, it would appear to me that the last decade of his
statistics are subject to extreme discounting by the Hall of Fame voters.




----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Scott Dredge" <sdredge at yahoo.com>

To: "viz" <vision2020 at moscow.com>

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:52 PM

Subject: [Vision2020] Mitchell report on steroid use in MLB
- Scandalous!


> The Mitchell report, which reported widespread used of
steroids in Major League Baseball, was released today and it is
scandalous.  George Mitchell is a director for the Boston Red Sox and not
one marquee player from the Sox was listed in the report and yet there are many
big name Yankee players listed.  There should be an investigation into
this discrepancy.


> http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jo-mitchellnews121307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


> -Scott



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