[Vision2020] FW: Non Official use of University Property and Computers.

Wed Dec 12 23:53:15 PST 2007

Paul,

Thanks for the backup. As for the use of the uidaho servers for incoming
mail, I certainly wouldn't be responsible for what comes to me in the
incoming email, so I'll claim that that doesn't really bear upon the
situation under discussion. (If I get pornographic spam emails it's not my
fault and the University can't fire me for getting it, for example). As for
using my uidaho.edu domain name, I don't recall seeing any admonitions about
that in the materials I get from the SBOE. Maybe, though, you have a point.
I'm thinking of dropping my university email services entirely and simply
using my turbonet account. By the way, the state does allow limited use of
phones and other equipment for personal use, even for calling home to ask
the wife what to pick up at the grocery on the way home. (In fact, as I
recall this was one of the examples of allowed usage of a university phone
cited in the official SBOE documents). Using the internet for personal
emails is also allowed to a limited degree, and the U--like most employers
in fact-- is tolerant of reasonable use of equipment for personal use. Mr.
Farris may not be aware of these finer points.

Incidentally, for several years now the university's servers have seen my
ADSL-originated emails and have rejected the outgoing mails because they
have been interpreted (erroneously) as relay attempts. So, I have had to
send via Turbonet's servers.

Bob Dickow, troublemaker

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:14 PM
To: dickow at uidaho.edu
Cc: heirdoug at netscape.net; vision2020 at moscow.com; kevinw at uidaho.edu
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Non Official use of University Property and
Computers.

I'd just like to add that anyone who wishes to who hasn't yet deleted 
the original message can look at the headers and see that there are no 
uidaho.edu servers involved, or any IP addresses starting with 129.101 
(which indicates the subnet that the University owns).

I would recommend using a non uidaho.edu address for this kind of thing, 
though, since an email from a uidaho.edu address could be misidentified 
as an official communication from the U of I.  I got burned by that one 
time in the early 90's, when I was using my uidaho.edu email address in 
some usenet postings.  Since then, I've learned to keep a distinct line 
between work emails and home emails.  I don't check my personal email at 
work, and I rarely check my work email at home.

I don't know if the UI has an official policy on using the email address 
itself, as opposed to State-owned hardware or software, but I wouldn't 
be surprised if there was one.  If you are accessing your uidaho.edu 
account from home and using TurboNet's smtp server to send email, then 
you are still using storage space on UI owned hardware for your incoming 
email.

Paul

Robert Dickow wrote:
> Mr. Farris:
>
> While there are explicit laws applicable to contacting someone's employer
or supervisor with the aim of undermining the employment or status of an
individual with regard to their employment, there are no laws or policies
against sending email the way that I do. My outgoing mail in this case came
from my home, while I was enjoying my morning coffee and correcting papers,
on my personally owned computer, and the mail passed through Turbonet.com's
smtp servers--an independant IPS--and not directly through any state-owned
servers or equipment or software of any kind. 
>
> Robert Dickow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: heirdoug at netscape.net [mailto:heirdoug at netscape.net] 
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:07 AM
> To: Robert Dickow
> Cc: Kevin Woelfel
> Subject: Non Official use of University Property and Computers.
>
> Mr. Dickow,
>
>
>
> I see that you posted your attempt at joining "the group" on Vision 
> 2020 this morning utilizing your university computer. Is this post part 
> of the music functions of the Lionel Hampton School of Music?
>
>
>
> If it is personal time that you are spending doing this sort of 
> activity maybe you should re-read your rules and regulations pertaining 
> to the proper use of Government property.
>
>
>
> I have attached the post with your University of Idaho email firmly 
> attached at the top of the page. I was curious as to when works starts 
> over at the U of I?
>
>
>
> Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
>
> Doug Farris
>
> Heirloom Electric.
>
>
>
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-December/050329.html
>
>
>
> [Vision2020] Characteristics of a cult
>
> Robert Dickow dickow at uidaho.edu
>
> Mon Dec 10 08:49:15 PST 2007
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> Hi all, A minister friend of mine in England provided me with this 
> rather
>
> comprehensive list of characteristics of a cult (or destructive group 
>
>
> defined more generally). Does this stuff remind you of anything?
>
>
>
> Bob Dickow, troublemaker
>
>
>
> "Characteristics of A Destructive Group
>
> While not all groups exhibit all these traits, destructive groups will 
> have
>
> many of these characteristics and attitudes:
>
>  Authoritarian hierarchal control; "
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