[Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions

Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Wed Dec 12 11:23:26 PST 2007


You're the only one who makes such sweeping statements, though you're generous enough to attribute them to others, even if they don't want them.  I certainly don't take the positions you want to ascribe to liberals; no thanks, you can have them back.

I will say that I am suspicious of 'scientific' claims embraced by this administration, because of their track record of having political appointees tell scientists what to say.  But that's not liberal bias; that's simply how most people operate:  If someone lies to you, you're careful not to take what they say next at face value.  I'm sure you do this regularly.  I do it with the Clintons, I absolutely do it with this administration.


> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: krfp at radiofreemoscow.org; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:15:44 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference	Pay	ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions
> Interesting response. So everything that comes from a site with a .gov 
> address is propaganda? The folks at weather.gov, grants. gov, health.gov, 
> sba.gov, fbi.gov, irs.gov, idaho.gov, etc. are going to be surprised and 
> disappointed to hear that. Quite frankly I would be a lot more suspicious of 
> information that came from a .org address. You have just GOT to know that 
> there will be an agenda associated with anything they have to tell you.
> Next we have the ever popular "anyone who has ever been, worked for, or been 
> in the presence of a conservative is, by definition, a lying rat bastard." 
> We all know that only liberals (and even then, only those who work for 
> MSNBC) can be trusted to bring us the unvarnished truth.
> Moving on, the my scientist is better then your scientist argument is 
> brought forward. I'm sorry but here is nothing that leads me to believe that 
> Schmidt, Harrison, and Monbiot (a journalist, not a scientist) have more 
> access to the truth than Monckton, Evans, Gray, McShane, and Alexander. I 
> don't see where a persons opinion with regard to those with AIDS or whether 
> you personally think someone's a nice guy has anything to do with the 
> accuracy of their claims.
> You are absolutely correct in one area however. Nothing you have posted has 
> changed my mind and I will continue to enjoy driving my car. Are you 
> implying that YOU will be forsaking all carbon generating forms of travel or 
> just that you will continue to do it with a big old mopey face? I was 
> unaware that doing the exact same things that us nasty old conservatives do 
> but being unhappy about it was better for the environment. I'll try to frown 
> more when I drive.
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KRFP" <krfp at radiofreemoscow.org>
> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay 
> ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions
> > This is not a "news item", Gary.  This is a propaganda item!
> >
> > First off it's a .gov address, that should give you the first clue.  If
> > you want to know more, here are the first few paragraphs from your
> > "reporter's" SourceWatch entry:
> >
> >> Marc Morano is communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee
> >> on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the
> >> committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the
> >> committee until January 2007. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog
> >> on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate
> >> change sceptics.
> >>
> >> Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by
> >> the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first
> >> source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against
> >> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006
> >> of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.
> >>
> >> Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,'
> >> as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as
> >> well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator,
> >> the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."
> >
> > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano#Profiles
> >
> > The Wiki article on Lord Christopher Monckton, who is quoted, makes for
> > some good reading as well.  Here's a snippet:
> >
> >> Gavin Schmidt has criticised Monckton's analysis of climate
> >> sensitivity as "sleight-of-hand to fool the unwary" [1]. Dr. Stephan
> >> Harrison criticises Moncktons' articles as "full of errors, misuse of
> >> data and cherry-picked examples" [2]. The British writer and
> >> environmentalist George Monbiot has criticized Monckton's arguments as
> >> "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific
> >> gibberish."[19] In a response published in The Guardian, Monckton has
> >> argued that he "got the science right" and that Monbiot got "too many
> >> facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
> >
> > Nice peer review!
> >
> > It also seems he's  been lobbying the Senate on behalf of ExxonMobil.
> > He also thinks all people with AIDS should be locked up and we should
> > have mandatory monthly tests.  Nice guy.
> >
> >
> > I like this sentence from the Australian: " We have the missing [human]
> > signature [in the atmosphere], we have the IPCC models being wrong and
> > we have the lack of a temperature going up the last 5 years,".  Except
> > that 2006 was the hottest year on record, just above 2005 and 1998, how
> > is this a "lack of temperature going up"?  Have you seen the graphs?
> >
> > Of course none of this will change your mind, and in a way I'm jealous,
> > with your head in the sand like that you can still enjoy driving your car.
> >
> > BTW I do agree with what's been said about the carbon credit thing being
> > a sham.  But you may not remember that it was the US (Clinton) which
> > insisted on including it in the Kyoto protocol in the first place (over
> > the objections of the majority of the delegates).  As I recall, we threw
> > a tantrum and said we wouldn't sign if carbon trading wasn't included,
> > then we didn't sign anyway, total irony.
> >
> > Dave
> > (I suppose I should put the personal post disclaimer here)
> >
> > g. crabtree wrote:
> >> I generally hate to post news items to this list but, for those of you
> >> who've been afraid to light their Yule logs for fear of their carbon
> >> footprint going up half a shoe size read this, take a deep breath, and 
> >> relax
> >> a little.
> >>
> >> http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c
> >>
> >> Anybody out there that was planning on giving any of their friends or
> >> relatives a nice card and a bunch of bogus carbon credits may want to
> >> reconsider. Fire up that old coal powered sleigh and go over the river 
> >> and
> >> through the woods to see Grandmother. She'll appreciate it.
> >>
> >> g
> >>
> >
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