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Gary,<br><br>You're the only one who makes such sweeping statements, though you're generous enough to attribute them to others, even if they don't want them. I certainly don't take the positions you want to ascribe to liberals; no thanks, you can have them back.<br><br>I will say that I am suspicious of 'scientific' claims embraced by this administration, because of their track record of having political appointees tell scientists what to say. But that's not liberal bias; that's simply how most people operate: If someone lies to you, you're careful not to take what they say next at face value. I'm sure you do this regularly. I do it with the Clintons, I absolutely do it with this administration.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: krfp@radiofreemoscow.org; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:15:44 -0800<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<br>> <br>> Interesting response. So everything that comes from a site with a .gov <br>> address is propaganda? The folks at weather.gov, grants. gov, health.gov, <br>> sba.gov, fbi.gov, irs.gov, idaho.gov, etc. are going to be surprised and <br>> disappointed to hear that. Quite frankly I would be a lot more suspicious of <br>> information that came from a .org address. You have just GOT to know that <br>> there will be an agenda associated with anything they have to tell you.<br>> <br>> Next we have the ever popular "anyone who has ever been, worked for, or been <br>> in the presence of a conservative is, by definition, a lying rat bastard." <br>> We all know that only liberals (and even then, only those who work for <br>> MSNBC) can be trusted to bring us the unvarnished truth.<br>> <br>> Moving on, the my scientist is better then your scientist argument is <br>> brought forward. I'm sorry but here is nothing that leads me to believe that <br>> Schmidt, Harrison, and Monbiot (a journalist, not a scientist) have more <br>> access to the truth than Monckton, Evans, Gray, McShane, and Alexander. I <br>> don't see where a persons opinion with regard to those with AIDS or whether <br>> you personally think someone's a nice guy has anything to do with the <br>> accuracy of their claims.<br>> <br>> You are absolutely correct in one area however. Nothing you have posted has <br>> changed my mind and I will continue to enjoy driving my car. Are you <br>> implying that YOU will be forsaking all carbon generating forms of travel or <br>> just that you will continue to do it with a big old mopey face? I was <br>> unaware that doing the exact same things that us nasty old conservatives do <br>> but being unhappy about it was better for the environment. I'll try to frown <br>> more when I drive.<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "KRFP" <krfp@radiofreemoscow.org><br>> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:52 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Attendees At UN Climate Conference Pay <br>> ForConference Associated CO2 Emissions<br>> <br>> <br>> > This is not a "news item", Gary. This is a propaganda item!<br>> ><br>> > First off it's a .gov address, that should give you the first clue. If<br>> > you want to know more, here are the first few paragraphs from your<br>> > "reporter's" SourceWatch entry:<br>> ><br>> >> Marc Morano is communications director for the U.S. Senate Committee<br>> >> on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the<br>> >> committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the<br>> >> committee until January 2007. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog<br>> >> on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate<br>> >> change sceptics.<br>> >><br>> >> Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (owned by<br>> >> the conservative Media Research Center). CNS and Morano were the first<br>> >> source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against<br>> >> John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006<br>> >> of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.<br>> >><br>> >> Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,'<br>> >> as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as<br>> >> well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator,<br>> >> the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."<br>> ><br>> > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano#Profiles<br>> ><br>> > The Wiki article on Lord Christopher Monckton, who is quoted, makes for<br>> > some good reading as well. Here's a snippet:<br>> ><br>> >> Gavin Schmidt has criticised Monckton's analysis of climate<br>> >> sensitivity as "sleight-of-hand to fool the unwary" [1]. Dr. Stephan<br>> >> Harrison criticises Moncktons' articles as "full of errors, misuse of<br>> >> data and cherry-picked examples" [2]. The British writer and<br>> >> environmentalist George Monbiot has criticized Monckton's arguments as<br>> >> "cherry-picking, downright misrepresentation and pseudo-scientific<br>> >> gibberish."[19] In a response published in The Guardian, Monckton has<br>> >> argued that he "got the science right" and that Monbiot got "too many<br>> >> facts wrong" and had shown "ignorance of the elementary physics".<br>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley<br>> ><br>> > Nice peer review!<br>> ><br>> > It also seems he's been lobbying the Senate on behalf of ExxonMobil.<br>> > He also thinks all people with AIDS should be locked up and we should<br>> > have mandatory monthly tests. Nice guy.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I like this sentence from the Australian: " We have the missing [human]<br>> > signature [in the atmosphere], we have the IPCC models being wrong and<br>> > we have the lack of a temperature going up the last 5 years,". Except<br>> > that 2006 was the hottest year on record, just above 2005 and 1998, how<br>> > is this a "lack of temperature going up"? Have you seen the graphs?<br>> ><br>> > Of course none of this will change your mind, and in a way I'm jealous,<br>> > with your head in the sand like that you can still enjoy driving your car.<br>> ><br>> > BTW I do agree with what's been said about the carbon credit thing being<br>> > a sham. But you may not remember that it was the US (Clinton) which<br>> > insisted on including it in the Kyoto protocol in the first place (over<br>> > the objections of the majority of the delegates). As I recall, we threw<br>> > a tantrum and said we wouldn't sign if carbon trading wasn't included,<br>> > then we didn't sign anyway, total irony.<br>> ><br>> > Dave<br>> > (I suppose I should put the personal post disclaimer here)<br>> ><br>> > g. crabtree wrote:<br>> >> I generally hate to post news items to this list but, for those of you<br>> >> who've been afraid to light their Yule logs for fear of their carbon<br>> >> footprint going up half a shoe size read this, take a deep breath, and <br>> >> relax<br>> >> a little.<br>> >><br>> >> http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=c9554887-802a-23ad-4303-68f67ebd151c<br>> >><br>> >> Anybody out there that was planning on giving any of their friends or<br>> >> relatives a nice card and a bunch of bogus carbon credits may want to<br>> >> reconsider. Fire up that old coal powered sleigh and go over the river <br>> >> and<br>> >> through the woods to see Grandmother. She'll appreciate it.<br>> >><br>> >> g<br>> >><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> > <br>> <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br></body>
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