[Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 25 14:23:27 PDT 2007
Pretty scary, if it's true. I'll have to track down one of his books.
For the curious:
http://www.gregpalast.com/
Paul
Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> Paul,
>
> If you read Greg Palast on the issue of vote suppression, you may be asking
> "How many votes will be counted?" instead.
>
> Sunil
>
>
>
>> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>> To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
>> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:53:09 -0700
>>
>> I agree that he doesn't really have a shot in hell in this corporatized,
>> media-controlled, soundbite civilization we live in. I just keep hoping
>> that the Internet will show its true promise as a true democratic tool.
>> One day, so goes my fantasy, there will be a lot of corporate types
>> scrambling to find out why Money, Media, and Momentum failed them so
>> utterly. What it all comes down to is: how many people will actually
>> vote? A true wave of "underground" sentiment could really affect the
>> numbers (assuming that Diebold isn't running the election).
>>
>> I agree with your thoughts on Ron Pauls sincerity and honesty. It's
>> refreshing, I just hope that "the people" will tell their corporate
>> masters to go to hell and actually start caring about things again.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Ron Paul is an honest guy, and thus will never be President. If wide
>>> Internet support and winning debates was the indication of winning the
>>> presidency, Howard Dean would be President and Dennis Kucinich would
>>> be Vice President today. George W. Bush never won a single
>>> Presidential Debate yet he won two terms, and few and far between on
>>> the net voice support for his tenure, how do you explain that using
>>> your measure of Internet support and debate winning as the path to the
>>> White House?
>>>
>>> There are three things that indicate who the winners are going to be,
>>> Money, Media, and Momentum. Only a few candidates have all three;
>>>
>>> Hillary Clinton
>>> Barrack Obama
>>> Mitt Romney
>>> Fred Thompson
>>> Mike Huckabee
>>>
>>> Of those, only realistically, two could win from each nomination.
>>> Democratic nomination is either going to Clinton, Obama, or Gore,
>>> because if Clinton or Obama don't make it, Gore will jump in and make
>>> a go of it. McCain and Rudy are at the top now, but rapidly sinking
>>> while Thompson and Romney are rising.
>>>
>>> Mike Huckabee doesn't believe in evolution, so no way he could be
>>> President, sorry, maybe 8 years ago, but not today.
>>>
>>> Ron Paul, he isn't a serious candidate, but he will probably still be
>>> in the race up until the end, like Dennis Kucinich. They are there for
>>> reasons other than actually winning the nomination. Jeb Bush will get
>>> the nomination before Ron Paul and some of these other no name
>>> candidates with little money and recognition.
>>>
>>> I like Ron Paul, he is making a valuable contribution to his country,
>>> talking about real issues, and forcing the viable candidates to answer
>>> questions and making promises about what they would do about
>>> situations if elected. I think it is great you would cast your vote
>>> for a noble, intelligent, and honest man who actually cares about the
>>> country, but he will not get the nomination, he isn't even a real
>>> Republican, he is a Libertarian, and use to run as a Libertarian, only
>>> recently did he switch to get more attention and a seat in Congress
>>> with some teeth.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Donovan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> */Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been led to believe that Ron Paul has a large underground
>>> audience
>>> on the net; it would be foolish of the other candidates to discount
>>> him. He is in the curious position of having a very strong, if not
>>> the
>>> strongest, popularity on the internet, but never gets higher than
>>> 3% on
>>> gallup polls. So, either the internet is a much smaller beast than
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> would first appear, or the various polls are burying their heads
>>> in the
>>> sand.
>>>
>>> According to Wikipedia, he has won three of the four Republican
>>> presidential debates based on the results of the online polls of the
>>> sponsors that held them. His name as a search term has scored higher
>>> than the other candidates online based on the results of a few
>>> traffic
>>> analysis companies. He is viewed the most on YouTube, and has the
>>> largest number of subscriptions.
>>>
>>> Although I can't agree with everything he stands for (withdrawing
>>> from
>>> the UN and Nato comes to mind), I am solidly behind him based on his
>>> voting record on the issues that this current government has foisted
>>> upon us, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>> > Keely writes,
>>> >
>>> > "I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
>>> true,
>>> > he doesn't 'have cancer'."
>>> >
>>> > But the truth is;
>>> >
>>> > "Patients with follicular lymphoma are generally not considered
>>> cured.
>>> > Instead, they are categorized as in ongoing complete remission.
>>> > Relapses occur steadily over time. *_Relapse rates are estimated
>>> to be
>>> > 33%, 66%, and 100% for follicular lymphoma's_* Grades I, II, and
>>> III
>>> > respectively." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hodgkin_lymphoma
>>> >
>>> > Anyone want to nominate a President who has a 33-100% chance of
>>> dying
>>> > in office before we take into account any other potential health
>>> > problems? Remember Paul Tsongas, he said he was in remission
>>> too, he
>>> > had the same illness, and he died in 1997 from Non-Hodgkin's
>>> lymphoma,
>>> > which many times doesn't show any symptoms.
>>> >
>>> > Giuliani isn't a Republican, he is Pro-choice, Pro-gay marriage,
>>> > Anti-gun, Pro-taxes, Pro-big government. There is no way the hard
>>> > leaning right would nominate a Pro-life, Anti-Gun, Pro-big
>>> government
>>> > nominee. McCain is also done for his pro- illegal immigration
>>> bill and
>>> > finance reforms. McCain would also be over 80 at the end of second
>>> > term in January, 2017.
>>> >
>>> > That only leaves Thompson, with incurable cancer, and Mitt
>>> Romney as
>>> > candidates with enough money and recognition for a fighting chance
>>> > against Hillary.
>>> >
>>> > I think Hillary will have a hard time getting a majority vote,
>>> but she
>>> > doesn't need it. She only needs to get more electoral votes than
>>> her
>>> > Republican opponent, which at this point will be Mitt Romney,
>>> former
>>> > Governor of Massachusetts.
>>> >
>>> > The Democratic Nominee, whomever that many be, Richardson,
>>>
>> Edwards,
>>
>>> > Obama, or Clinton, already have a five to ten point lead in enough
>>> > states to secure 250 electoral votes. They only need 20 more to
>>> win,
>>> > like Florida, or Ohio. If Bloomberg enters the race, that peels
>>> > another 4-8 points off the popular vote for the Republican
>>> nominee in
>>> > many key states.
>>> >
>>> > Even if Hillary fails to achieve a pularity (more votes than the
>>> other
>>> > two) of popular votes, which she doesn't need, in the three way
>>> > election, what are Republicans going to say, after all, Bush was
>>> > beaten in the popular vote in the 2000 election and still took
>>> the oath.
>>> >
>>> > Hillary is unlikely to lose the Democratic nomination because she
>>> > already has close to 50% of the primary vote. She is also very
>>> likely
>>> > to get at least 270 electoral votes in a three way race over any
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> > the current candidates for President. The total popular vote
>>> doesn't
>>> > matter in the actually election (do the electoral math). If
>>> Hillary is
>>> > elected, which I think she will at this point, she is likely to be
>>> > very effective due to her experience and having a Democratic
>>>
>> Senate
>>
>>> > and Congress backing her.
>>> >
>>> > I think the American Population will be very surprised at how
>>> > conservative many of her decisions will be as President. She
>>> will not
>>> > immediately withdraw troops. She will not enact anti-gun
>>> legislation,
>>> > and she will not grant same-sex marriage. I think she will be very
>>> > much in the center, politically, and very competent in her
>>> performance.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Donovan
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > */lfalen /* wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I agree with you about Hillary, but not about Giuliani. I think
>>> > that Thompson has a chance. Romney could also win, but has some
>>> > problems from my point of view.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Roger
>>> > -----Original message-----
>>> > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:37 -0700
>>> > To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, Tom
>>> > Hansenthansen at moscow.com, "'Bev Bafus'" bevbafus at verizon.net,
>>> > vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
>>> > true, he doesn't "have cancer."
>>> > >
>>> > > And I think Giuliani might well be the only Republican who can
>>> > defeat the Democrats, particularly if we nominate Hillary. She
>>> > won't win. But Obama, Richardson, or Edwards could. I hope my
>>> > party listens.
>>> > >
>>> > > keely
>>> > >
>>> > > "Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman
>>> > and man from each other, resulted from the material demands of
>>> > life outside of the Creator's abundance, a state God never
>>> > intended human beings to experience in the first place ...
>>> > Redemption means turning over the order of things in the fallen
>>> > world."
>>> > > -- Dr. Carrie Miles
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:48:48 -0700
>>> > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>> > > To: thansen at moscow.com; bevbafus at verizon.net;
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
>>> > >
>>> > > "By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He is
>>> > pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
>>> > public education."--T. Hansen
>>> > > He is also pro-taxes, pro big government, anti-second amendment,
>>> > and has three wives. If this guy gets the Republicans nomination
>>> > the Democrats win before the general election. John McCain is a no
>>> > win either. That only leaves Thompson and Romney, and Thompson has
>>> > cancer. Humm, wonder who the nominee is going to be? Best, Donovan
>>> > > Tom
>>> > > Hansen wrote: By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He
>>> > is pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
>>> > public education. My guess is that New York and California are the
>>> > only states in the union where he could register Republican. Seeya
>>> > round town, Moscow.
>>> > >
>>> > > Tom Hansen
>>> > > Moscow, Idaho
>>> > >
>>> > > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous
>>> > monikers in chat-room forums are neither brave nor clever."
>>> > >
>>> > > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21, 2007) From:
>>> > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:11
>>> > > PM
>>> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > > Subject: [Vision2020] speaking of politics.... which we weren't,
>>> > but I just had to share this. My son met and chatted with Rudy
>>> > Giuliani
>>> > > today at the Coeur d'Alene Resort. My son is a valet there.
>>> > Mayor Giuliani introduced himself to my son, shook hands, and
>>> > chatted for a few minutes. Pretty heady stuff for a
>>> > > twenty-year-old. He was impressed, even though he leans
>>> > Democratic... He didn't get to valet park the huge Escalade,
>>> > though... Secret Service took care of that. Bev Bafus
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