[Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 25 15:37:48 PDT 2007
I'm almost done with 'Armed Madhouse.' Except for the material, it's a
great read...
Sunil
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:23:27 -0700
>
>Pretty scary, if it's true. I'll have to track down one of his books.
>
>For the curious:
>
>http://www.gregpalast.com/
>
>Paul
>
>Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
>>Paul,
>>
>>If you read Greg Palast on the issue of vote suppression, you may be
>>asking "How many votes will be counted?" instead.
>>
>>Sunil
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (Hillary is a Shoe In) speaking of politics....
>>>Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:53:09 -0700
>>>
>>>I agree that he doesn't really have a shot in hell in this corporatized,
>>>media-controlled, soundbite civilization we live in. I just keep hoping
>>>that the Internet will show its true promise as a true democratic tool.
>>>One day, so goes my fantasy, there will be a lot of corporate types
>>>scrambling to find out why Money, Media, and Momentum failed them so
>>>utterly. What it all comes down to is: how many people will actually
>>>vote? A true wave of "underground" sentiment could really affect the
>>>numbers (assuming that Diebold isn't running the election).
>>>
>>>I agree with your thoughts on Ron Pauls sincerity and honesty. It's
>>>refreshing, I just hope that "the people" will tell their corporate
>>>masters to go to hell and actually start caring about things again.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>>Ron Paul is an honest guy, and thus will never be President. If wide
>>>>Internet support and winning debates was the indication of winning the
>>>>presidency, Howard Dean would be President and Dennis Kucinich would
>>>>be Vice President today. George W. Bush never won a single
>>>>Presidential Debate yet he won two terms, and few and far between on
>>>>the net voice support for his tenure, how do you explain that using
>>>>your measure of Internet support and debate winning as the path to the
>>>>White House?
>>>>
>>>>There are three things that indicate who the winners are going to be,
>>>>Money, Media, and Momentum. Only a few candidates have all three;
>>>>
>>>>Hillary Clinton
>>>>Barrack Obama
>>>>Mitt Romney
>>>>Fred Thompson
>>>>Mike Huckabee
>>>>
>>>>Of those, only realistically, two could win from each nomination.
>>>>Democratic nomination is either going to Clinton, Obama, or Gore,
>>>>because if Clinton or Obama don't make it, Gore will jump in and make
>>>>a go of it. McCain and Rudy are at the top now, but rapidly sinking
>>>>while Thompson and Romney are rising.
>>>>
>>>>Mike Huckabee doesn't believe in evolution, so no way he could be
>>>>President, sorry, maybe 8 years ago, but not today.
>>>>
>>>>Ron Paul, he isn't a serious candidate, but he will probably still be
>>>>in the race up until the end, like Dennis Kucinich. They are there for
>>>>reasons other than actually winning the nomination. Jeb Bush will get
>>>>the nomination before Ron Paul and some of these other no name
>>>>candidates with little money and recognition.
>>>>
>>>>I like Ron Paul, he is making a valuable contribution to his country,
>>>>talking about real issues, and forcing the viable candidates to answer
>>>>questions and making promises about what they would do about
>>>>situations if elected. I think it is great you would cast your vote
>>>>for a noble, intelligent, and honest man who actually cares about the
>>>>country, but he will not get the nomination, he isn't even a real
>>>>Republican, he is a Libertarian, and use to run as a Libertarian, only
>>>>recently did he switch to get more attention and a seat in Congress
>>>>with some teeth.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>
>>>>Donovan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>*/Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been led to believe that Ron Paul has a large underground
>>>> audience
>>>> on the net; it would be foolish of the other candidates to discount
>>>> him. He is in the curious position of having a very strong, if not
>>>> the
>>>> strongest, popularity on the internet, but never gets higher than
>>>> 3% on
>>>> gallup polls. So, either the internet is a much smaller beast than
>>>it
>>>
>>>> would first appear, or the various polls are burying their heads
>>>> in the
>>>> sand.
>>>>
>>>> According to Wikipedia, he has won three of the four Republican
>>>> presidential debates based on the results of the online polls of
>>>>the
>>>> sponsors that held them. His name as a search term has scored
>>>>higher
>>>> than the other candidates online based on the results of a few
>>>> traffic
>>>> analysis companies. He is viewed the most on YouTube, and has the
>>>> largest number of subscriptions.
>>>>
>>>> Although I can't agree with everything he stands for (withdrawing
>>>> from
>>>> the UN and Nato comes to mind), I am solidly behind him based on
>>>>his
>>>> voting record on the issues that this current government has
>>>>foisted
>>>> upon us, such as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Donovan Arnold wrote:
>>>> > Keely writes,
>>>> >
>>>> > "I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
>>>> true,
>>>> > he doesn't 'have cancer'."
>>>> >
>>>> > But the truth is;
>>>> >
>>>> > "Patients with follicular lymphoma are generally not considered
>>>> cured.
>>>> > Instead, they are categorized as in ongoing complete remission.
>>>> > Relapses occur steadily over time. *_Relapse rates are estimated
>>>> to be
>>>> > 33%, 66%, and 100% for follicular lymphoma's_* Grades I, II, and
>>>> III
>>>> > respectively." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hodgkin_lymphoma
>>>> >
>>>> > Anyone want to nominate a President who has a 33-100% chance of
>>>> dying
>>>> > in office before we take into account any other potential health
>>>> > problems? Remember Paul Tsongas, he said he was in remission
>>>> too, he
>>>> > had the same illness, and he died in 1997 from Non-Hodgkin's
>>>> lymphoma,
>>>> > which many times doesn't show any symptoms.
>>>> >
>>>> > Giuliani isn't a Republican, he is Pro-choice, Pro-gay marriage,
>>>> > Anti-gun, Pro-taxes, Pro-big government. There is no way the hard
>>>> > leaning right would nominate a Pro-life, Anti-Gun, Pro-big
>>>> government
>>>> > nominee. McCain is also done for his pro- illegal immigration
>>>> bill and
>>>> > finance reforms. McCain would also be over 80 at the end of
>>>>second
>>>> > term in January, 2017.
>>>> >
>>>> > That only leaves Thompson, with incurable cancer, and Mitt
>>>> Romney as
>>>> > candidates with enough money and recognition for a fighting
>>>>chance
>>>> > against Hillary.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think Hillary will have a hard time getting a majority vote,
>>>> but she
>>>> > doesn't need it. She only needs to get more electoral votes than
>>>> her
>>>> > Republican opponent, which at this point will be Mitt Romney,
>>>> former
>>>> > Governor of Massachusetts.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Democratic Nominee, whomever that many be, Richardson,
>>>Edwards,
>>>
>>>> > Obama, or Clinton, already have a five to ten point lead in
>>>>enough
>>>> > states to secure 250 electoral votes. They only need 20 more to
>>>> win,
>>>> > like Florida, or Ohio. If Bloomberg enters the race, that peels
>>>> > another 4-8 points off the popular vote for the Republican
>>>> nominee in
>>>> > many key states.
>>>> >
>>>> > Even if Hillary fails to achieve a pularity (more votes than the
>>>> other
>>>> > two) of popular votes, which she doesn't need, in the three way
>>>> > election, what are Republicans going to say, after all, Bush was
>>>> > beaten in the popular vote in the 2000 election and still took
>>>> the oath.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hillary is unlikely to lose the Democratic nomination because she
>>>> > already has close to 50% of the primary vote. She is also very
>>>> likely
>>>> > to get at least 270 electoral votes in a three way race over any
>>>of
>>>
>>>> > the current candidates for President. The total popular vote
>>>> doesn't
>>>> > matter in the actually election (do the electoral math). If
>>>> Hillary is
>>>> > elected, which I think she will at this point, she is likely to
>>>>be
>>>> > very effective due to her experience and having a Democratic
>>>Senate
>>>
>>>> > and Congress backing her.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think the American Population will be very surprised at how
>>>> > conservative many of her decisions will be as President. She
>>>> will not
>>>> > immediately withdraw troops. She will not enact anti-gun
>>>> legislation,
>>>> > and she will not grant same-sex marriage. I think she will be
>>>>very
>>>> > much in the center, politically, and very competent in her
>>>> performance.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> >
>>>> > Donovan
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > */lfalen /* wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I agree with you about Hillary, but not about Giuliani. I think
>>>> > that Thompson has a chance. Romney could also win, but has some
>>>> > problems from my point of view.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Roger
>>>> > -----Original message-----
>>>> > From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:37 -0700
>>>> > To: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com, Tom
>>>> > Hansenthansen at moscow.com, "'Bev Bafus'" bevbafus at verizon.net,
>>>> > vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
>>>> >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I believe that Thompson's lymphoma is in remission; if that's
>>>> > true, he doesn't "have cancer."
>>>> > >
>>>> > > And I think Giuliani might well be the only Republican who can
>>>> > defeat the Democrats, particularly if we nominate Hillary. She
>>>> > won't win. But Obama, Richardson, or Edwards could. I hope my
>>>> > party listens.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > keely
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "Patriarchy and its abuses, including the alienation of woman
>>>> > and man from each other, resulted from the material demands of
>>>> > life outside of the Creator's abundance, a state God never
>>>> > intended human beings to experience in the first place ...
>>>> > Redemption means turning over the order of things in the fallen
>>>> > world."
>>>> > > -- Dr. Carrie Miles
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:48:48 -0700
>>>> > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
>>>> > > To: thansen at moscow.com; bevbafus at verizon.net;
>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] speaking of politics....
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat. He is
>>>> > pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
>>>> > public education."--T. Hansen
>>>> > > He is also pro-taxes, pro big government, anti-second
>>>>amendment,
>>>> > and has three wives. If this guy gets the Republicans nomination
>>>> > the Democrats win before the general election. John McCain is a
>>>>no
>>>> > win either. That only leaves Thompson and Romney, and Thompson
>>>>has
>>>> > cancer. Humm, wonder who the nominee is going to be? Best,
>>>>Donovan
>>>> > > Tom
>>>> > > Hansen wrote: By Idaho standards Rudy Giuliani IS a Democrat.
>>>>He
>>>> > is pro-choice, supports same-sex marriage, and actively supports
>>>> > public education. My guess is that New York and California are
>>>>the
>>>> > only states in the union where he could register Republican.
>>>>Seeya
>>>> > round town, Moscow.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Tom Hansen
>>>> > > Moscow, Idaho
>>>> > >
>>>> > > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous
>>>> > monikers in chat-room forums are neither brave nor clever."
>>>> > >
>>>> > > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21, 2007) From:
>>>> > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bev Bafus
>>>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:11
>>>> > > PM
>>>> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> > > Subject: [Vision2020] speaking of politics.... which we
>>>>weren't,
>>>> > but I just had to share this. My son met and chatted with Rudy
>>>> > Giuliani
>>>> > > today at the Coeur d'Alene Resort. My son is a valet there.
>>>> > Mayor Giuliani introduced himself to my son, shook hands, and
>>>> > chatted for a few minutes. Pretty heady stuff for a
>>>> > > twenty-year-old. He was impressed, even though he leans
>>>> > Democratic... He didn't get to valet park the huge Escalade,
>>>> > though... Secret Service took care of that. Bev Bafus
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