[Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?

Fri Apr 27 11:49:08 PDT 2007

Andreas you surprise me.  I had assumed that your unflagging efforts to 
bring an agonizing death to human children had left you no time to brutalize 
his lesser creatures.  Clearly the degree of your barbarism allows for 
multi-tasking.

I stand corrected.

-Tony
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?

> Dear Vision 2020,
>
> I am too busy biting the heads off of baby birds to respond to this post.
>
> Apologies,
> ACS
>
> On 4/27/07, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>>
>> No no no Paul, you misunderstood.  I was not referencing early term
>> abortion, let alone miscarriage, when I mentioned Andreas' apparent lack 
>> of
>> a soul in championing the killing of nearly - birthed children.  It was a
>> reference to Intact D & E, A.K.A. partial birth abortion.  Andreas, 
>> grinning
>> with glee and wringing his bloody hands, pleads for the "right" to stab a
>> baby at the base of its skull and vacuum out its brain as its head
>> collapses.  He would then toss it in the trash as his eyes rolled back in
>> his head, his gory rampage presumably culminating in orgasmic bliss.
>>
>> I understand, Paul, that the truth can be unsettling.  Sometimes it can 
>> be
>> shocking to learn the details of man's inhumanity to man, or in this case
>> his offspring, but the truth they say will set us free.  Don't blame the
>> messenger Paul.  Allow yourself to accept the horrendous reality of what 
>> the
>> left is capable of.  I contend that it is Andreas and his ilk who are 
>> being
>> harsh.  I am not advocating the premeditated killing of babies, they are.
>> Those who allow their intellect to entirely supplant their empathy and
>> compassion, resulting in an emaciated and undernourished soul, are truly 
>> a
>> danger to the rest of us.
>>
>> Stay strong Paul.
>>
>> The battle for our souls continues......
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Paul Rumelhart
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?
>>
>> Tony wrote:
>> At least you are right about one thing: you are not qualified to render
>>
> medical advice. Nor are you qualified to parent children. That requires
>>
> compassion and a soul.
>
>>
>> Isn't that a little harsh?  Can't you have a stance on this subject
>> different from yours and still have compassion and a soul?  How far do 
>> you
>> take this "one too many" thing, anyway?  Should a woman who has a
>> miscarriage be tried for involuntary manslaughter?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Later,
>
> -Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andreas Schou"
>> <ophite at gmail.com>
> To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
> Cc:
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re:
>> [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was:
> CatholicMajority On
>> Supreme Court)
>
>
>
>> On 4/25/07, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
>> Andreas, is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction
>>
> is
> performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case? If so, why has
>> such
> information never been divulged before now by the proponents of
>> this
> "procedure?" One suspects that there is, once again, more to the story
>>
> than
> those on your side of this debate would have the public believe.
>
>> It's my contention that it constitutes 0.2% of abortions, that it
>> is
> performed as an emergency surgery rather than elective abortion, and
> that
>> it is performed on non-viable fetuses.
>
> Late-term abortions constitute 1.4%
>> of all abortions performed in the
> United States. Intact D&E constitutes 15%
>> of those.
> Back-of-the-envelope calculations tell me that that means that
>> intact
> D&E is used in roughly 0.2% of all abortion procedures in the
>> United
> States.
>
> Kennedy's opinion is predicated on the fact that intact D&E
>> is
> medically equivalent to the interuterine dismemberment and suction of
> the
>> miscellaneous parts; that is, there is no circumstance under which
> an intact
>> D&E would save the life of the mother when other equivalent
> processes could
>> also be performed. This logic is designed specifically
> to limit the ruling's
>> scope.
>
> Notably, Kennedy leaves an opening for specific review of the law
>> when
> he specifically mentions that the court would entertain a
>> case
> considering that specific issue -- that is, whether a
>> late-term
> abortion would be medically necessary for the health or life of
>> the
> mother. How Kennedy expects that a challenge would reach the
>> Supreme
> Court in the (roughly) 90 days before the case is mooted by the
>> birth
> of a child or the death of a fetus is an exercise best left to
>> the
> imagination (or alternately sniggered at behind your hand).
>
>
>> That critical question aside, why are these handicapped infants not
>>
> simply
> delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if that is indeed their
>> fate,
> rather than being unceremoniously dispatched?
>
>> I am not qualified to deliver medical advice, but it is my
> understanding
>> that one cannot live without a functioning forebrain.
> You, however, have
>> left me somewhat unsure of this understanding.
>
> -- ACS
>
> * If you're
>> interested, this Harpers article is a good overview of the
> "partial-birth
>> abortion"
>> pseudo-debate:
> http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/11/0080278
>
> *
>> Yes, it's a blog post. However, it's an ob/gyn med student's
> overview of the
>> medical literature on intact D&E, as well as what
> exactly was made illegal
>> by the partial-birth abortion
>> law:
> http://www.agraphia.net/partial-birth-abortion-v-intact-dilation-extraction/
>
> *
>> This is a personal account of someone who did have an intact D&E due
> to
>> (extremely severe) spinal bifida. It might explain why someone
> might want to
>> do
>> it:
> http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=4595719
>
>
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