[Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?

Fri Apr 27 11:07:44 PDT 2007

Dear Vision 2020,

I am too busy biting the heads off of baby birds to respond to this post.

Apologies,
ACS

On 4/27/07, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> No no no Paul, you misunderstood.  I was not referencing early term
> abortion, let alone miscarriage, when I mentioned Andreas' apparent lack of
> a soul in championing the killing of nearly - birthed children.  It was a
> reference to Intact D & E, A.K.A. partial birth abortion.  Andreas, grinning
> with glee and wringing his bloody hands, pleads for the "right" to stab a
> baby at the base of its skull and vacuum out its brain as its head
> collapses.  He would then toss it in the trash as his eyes rolled back in
> his head, his gory rampage presumably culminating in orgasmic bliss.
>
> I understand, Paul, that the truth can be unsettling.  Sometimes it can be
> shocking to learn the details of man's inhumanity to man, or in this case
> his offspring, but the truth they say will set us free.  Don't blame the
> messenger Paul.  Allow yourself to accept the horrendous reality of what the
> left is capable of.  I contend that it is Andreas and his ilk who are being
> harsh.  I am not advocating the premeditated killing of babies, they are.
> Those who allow their intellect to entirely supplant their empathy and
> compassion, resulting in an emaciated and undernourished soul, are truly a
> danger to the rest of us.
>
> Stay strong Paul.
>
> The battle for our souls continues......
>
> -Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Rumelhart
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion?
>
> Tony wrote:
> At least you are right about one thing: you are not qualified to render
>
medical advice. Nor are you qualified to parent children. That requires
>
compassion and a soul.

>
> Isn't that a little harsh?  Can't you have a stance on this subject
> different from yours and still have compassion and a soul?  How far do you
> take this "one too many" thing, anyway?  Should a woman who has a
> miscarriage be tried for involuntary manslaughter?
>
> Paul
>
> Later,

-Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andreas Schou"
> <ophite at gmail.com>
To: "Tony" <tonytime at clearwire.net>
Cc:
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re:
> [Vision2020] Is it Infanticide Vs. Abortion? (was:
CatholicMajority On
> Supreme Court)

> On 4/25/07, Tony <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote:

> Andreas, is it your contention then that intact dilation and extraction
>
is
performed on non-viable babies in EVERY case? If so, why has
> such
information never been divulged before now by the proponents of
> this
"procedure?" One suspects that there is, once again, more to the story
>
than
those on your side of this debate would have the public believe.

> It's my contention that it constitutes 0.2% of abortions, that it
> is
performed as an emergency surgery rather than elective abortion, and
that
> it is performed on non-viable fetuses.

Late-term abortions constitute 1.4%
> of all abortions performed in the
United States. Intact D&E constitutes 15%
> of those.
Back-of-the-envelope calculations tell me that that means that
> intact
D&E is used in roughly 0.2% of all abortion procedures in the
> United
States.

Kennedy's opinion is predicated on the fact that intact D&E
> is
medically equivalent to the interuterine dismemberment and suction of
the
> miscellaneous parts; that is, there is no circumstance under which
an intact
> D&E would save the life of the mother when other equivalent
processes could
> also be performed. This logic is designed specifically
to limit the ruling's
> scope.

Notably, Kennedy leaves an opening for specific review of the law
> when
he specifically mentions that the court would entertain a
> case
considering that specific issue -- that is, whether a
> late-term
abortion would be medically necessary for the health or life of
> the
mother. How Kennedy expects that a challenge would reach the
> Supreme
Court in the (roughly) 90 days before the case is mooted by the
> birth
of a child or the death of a fetus is an exercise best left to
> the
imagination (or alternately sniggered at behind your hand).

> That critical question aside, why are these handicapped infants not
>
simply
delivered and allowed to expire naturally, if that is indeed their
> fate,
rather than being unceremoniously dispatched?

> I am not qualified to deliver medical advice, but it is my
understanding
> that one cannot live without a functioning forebrain.
You, however, have
> left me somewhat unsure of this understanding.

-- ACS

* If you're
> interested, this Harpers article is a good overview of the
"partial-birth
> abortion"
> pseudo-debate:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/11/0080278

*
> Yes, it's a blog post. However, it's an ob/gyn med student's
overview of the
> medical literature on intact D&E, as well as what
exactly was made illegal
> by the partial-birth abortion
> law:
http://www.agraphia.net/partial-birth-abortion-v-intact-dilation-extraction/

*
> This is a personal account of someone who did have an intact D&E due
to
> (extremely severe) spinal bifida. It might explain why someone
might want to
> do
> it:
http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyandsoul/womenintheworld/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=4595719

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