[Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue Apr 24 20:19:25 PDT 2007
Cho went before a judge who stated, according to CNN, that Cho "Should be
committed immediately" and was in fact, had an eval done and was found to be
schzo-effective, bipolar and severely depressed. He was put on several meds
which he stated he did not like due to the side affects and apparently,
again accoring to CNN, stopped taking those meds just two weeks before the
shootings.
THIS is the exact type of person who should not be allowed to purchase guns.
Yes, I get they will get them some other way, if not through legal
channels, but....we need something in place that prohibits the legal dealers
from selling to them. At least, give the rest of us the chance of stopping
an budding incident by denying ready access to the guns by people who
clearly do not have a full grasp on or of reality.
J :]
>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:05:39 -0700
>
>So if someone goes to the police about someone else it's just a
>"neighbor-to-neighbor" thing? So now it has to go to a judge? That's a
>step in the right direction. Now all we need is to have evidence and
>burden-of-proof and all that other nonsense that protects innocent
>people from wrongful convictions.
>
>If you are suggesting that certain mental conditions should be grounds
>for not being able to purchase a gun, I can agree with you only if there
>is a good process in place to ensure that there are few (if any) false
>positives. However, while this guy was on people's radars, he was not
>thought to be enough of a problem to be committed, so it's possible that
>he could not be thought of as enough of a problem to be put on this
>magic list.
>
>I'm sure the system can be modified to be more diligent in this area,
>and I imagine we will be sick-to-death of hearing about attempts to do
>just that soon enough.
>
>As to the word "paranoid", I'm not frightened of this happening to
>myself. I'm just looking out for those who might be wrongfully tagged
>as being officially "mentally deranged" or whatever. Are you concerned
>about this aspect of things? Isn't it possible that without controls in
>place that someone could cause a whole heap of trouble for someone else
>with a simple anonymous phone call? Is that a good idea?
>
>Paul
>
>J Ford wrote:
> > Sorry, can't agree with your paranoid reply to my statement.
> >
> > This young man obviously had a LOT of people concerned about his
> > mental heal status and NOTHING was out there to prevent him from
> > lawfully gaining a way to excercise his delusions. IF a note or a
> > file had been made stating contact had been made and the judge on down
> > was concerned for his and other's safety, we would not have had a VA
> > Tech incident.
> >
> > What you are presenting here is just a neighbor v. neighbor type of
> > thing and is not the same at all. One was in front of a judge, the
> > other would likely never get to that point.
> >
> >
> >
> > J :]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts
> >> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:33:39 -0700
> >>
> >> J Ford wrote:
> >>> What do you want to bet that gets changed? As long as a contact was
> >>> made, it should be registered. (Ok...all you "privacy
> >>> freaks"....have at it! Just remember that one of these days, it
> >>> could be YOUR kid that gets shot and/or killed by a person of lesser
> >>> mental state because there is currently no law on the books to
> >>> safeguard the public in general, not just the individual.)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just remember that it might be someone that YOU know that doesn't
> >> like you for whatever reason that tells the police that they think
> >> you are a lunatic which then gets on the books as a public record
> >> making you unable to buy a gun, with who knows how many other
> >> repercussions. There is a reason that evidence and proof are
> >> necessary before ruining someone's life.
> >>
> >> The question here should be: "how did this young man escape getting
> >> committed for a period of time officially?" From what I've heard, he
> >> was on the radar at a few different agencies.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> "Privacy freak extraordinaire".
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> J :]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> >>>> To: "Walter Smith" <donn.nergal at gmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam] Guns or thoughts
> >>>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:57:29 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>> If there han been a background check on him when he purchased the
> >>>> guns, his mental problems may have been discovered.
> >>>> This is not to say guns should be banned. If some of the people
> >>>> there had been armed. there would probably have been fewer people
> >>>> killed. If guns are illegal, then only the bad people have guns
> >>>> and the good guys are defenseless. Even with strong gun controls,
> >>>> if someone wants a gun bad enough they will get one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original message-----
> >>>> From: "Walter Smith" donn.nergal at gmail.com
> >>>> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:32:15 -0700
> >>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>>> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] Guns or thoughts
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Pat,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While I agree that guns alone are not the problem; the phrase
>"mental
> >>>> health
> >>>>
> >>>>> controls" is, in and of itself, quite disturbing. I truly hope
> >>>>> that is
> >>>> not
> >>>>
> >>>>> what you meant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dumbfounded,
> >>>>> Anon
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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