[Vision2020] Fwd: Seriously, this time

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Anon,

I'd urge you not to publicly post off-list responses.  When I write to 
someone off-list I do so with the expectation that it won't be publicly 
posted.  I've been mightily tempted to post some responses to the list, and 
have managed to hold off.

Sunil


>From: "Walter Smith" <don.nergal at gmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Fwd:  Seriously, this time
>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:40:14 -0700
>
>Thanks Andreas,
>
>I would first like to applaud your courage in posting to this forum under
>your own name, courage I lack. Most posters on here display a similar
>courage, and I thank all of you regardless of my own cowardice. Yet this
>matter, along with the Archies issue, convinced me of the need to respond
>here, despite my burning desire to not be associated with vision2020.
>
>There has been much talk about double-standards recently, largely prompted
>by the Imus idiocy. Many don't seem to realize, though, that
>double-standards cut both ways. If we seek to repair the damage done to 
>this
>country, we cannot forsake the foundation upon which it was built.
>Disregarding any apologetic jargon about the founding fathers and their
>personal beliefs; the simple and true root of our great nation and it's
>success, is the basic supposition that all people are created/born equal. 
>To
>deny anyone, American or otherwise, white or otherwise, rich or otherwise,
>the fundamental rights afforded the peoples of our nation; is to deny
>America itself. Any right we would deprive someone else of, is a right we 
>do
>not ourselves deserve.
>
>As to the Archies issue, which I have not yet addressed... Mr. Johnson
>himself admitted that it was not the protest (as mis-guided, and 
>thin-skined
>as it was) that drove him under. It was rather a long standing lack of
>patronage, apparently due in large part to a lack of adequate parking. 
>Given
>who's feet that the parking issue can be laid upon, I am very surprised 
>that
>J Ford (and many others) have blamed the paranoid overly sensitive
>caretaker, rather than the true culprits.
>
>While my "serious" post has not garnered much response, on vision2020 or
>off, my first "comedic" post has resulted in quite a number of "off-line"
>retorts. Many of these are amazingly offensive, but none so far 
>threatening.
>I am gathering up the "juicy" bits, and will be posting them here soon. It
>is amazing what some people will say when there is no accountability
>(perhaps myself included). Think of them as a skin-thickness test.
>
>Sincerely,
>Anon
>
>P.S. my name is not Walter (nor Smith, Don, or Nergal), please feel free to
>address me in whatever way you find appropriate.
>
>On 4/14/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Walter --
>>
>>I've got to agree. Normally, J Ford is perfectly reasonable, but this
>>one-woman windmill-tilting crusade against Javon Butler (and through
>>him, all black Americans) is seriously off-kilter. What's up, J?
>>
>>-- ACS
>>
>>On 4/14/07, Walter Smith <don.nergal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > While my last post was entirely a jest, this one is not. I am indeed
>>hiding
>> > behind a cloak of anonymity, since this forum seems to nothing but
>>destroy
>> > those willing to talk, and I have no suicide wish. Take my comments 
>>with
>>as
>> > big a grain of salt as you feel necessary.
>> >
>> > I do consider myself a liberal, and while I find the filth spewing 
>>forth
>>
>> > from "Tony" (aka FingerElbowSpace) and his ilk disgusting and
>>un-American,
>> > the recent hate flowing from J Ford (whom I usually agree with) is 
>>truly
>> > foul. I had never heard of "Javon Butler" before this fracas, as I care
>> > nothing for college sports. But the calls from J Ford to deny this man
>>the
>> > justice (albeit imperfect) that out system grants is beyond the pale,
>>never
>> > have I heard such a disgusting tirade. It is particularly disgusting 
>>due
>>to
>> > the obvious (to everyone else) racism embodied in her posts, and the
>>clear
>> > fact that she actually believes what she is saying, and sees nothing
>>wrong
>> > with it. I can't even recall such filth from the arians that used to be
>> > around here, and they were the worst of the worst.
>> >
>> > What Don Imus did was wrong, much of the reaction to what he did is
>>wrong,
>> > and much of the reaction to that reaction is wrong. But how does the
>> > injustice against him justify denying justice to another?.
>> >
>> > I have no idea if Javon is guilty, I wasn't there. I know none of the
>>people
>> > involved, and have no reason to believe one party over the other. If 
>>the
>>
>> > courts find Javon guilty, I won't argue; if they don't, I won't argue.
>>This
>> > is what our justice system is for, to do everything possible to learn
>>the
>> > truth. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Could 
>>anything
>>
>> > possibly be more un-American?
>> >
>> > Unless Javon is a clear and present danger to others (which I cannot
>>imagine
>> > him being, with all the attention currently focused on him), what 
>>reason
>> > could there be for denying him the rights afforded to everyone
>> > (non-celebrity, admittedly) else? Is it just because he is black, and
>>has
>> > been accused by a white man? What, exactly, is wrong with letting the
>> > process take it's course?
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Anon
>> >
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