[Vision2020] CO2 Tax In Other Nations: engine tax

Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
Thu Sep 28 11:00:35 PDT 2006

Paul, David et. al.

Taxes to address CO2 emissions from fossil fuel powered vehicles (and other
uses of fossil fuels) should be called a "CO2 tax," as they are now in other
nations. People should understand the tax is specifically aimed at
addressing human sourced global warming.

Even without global warming, the coming fossil fuel depletion crisis alone
justifies radical measures to encourage conservation, with specific
taxes tied to fossil fuel use earmarked for a well funded aggressive
development and implementation of alternative fuels and energy as a matter
of national security.  Read at link below on this effort:


If the USA does not implement widespread alternatives to fossil fuel on
a massive scale, even dismissing global warming, we are likely within the
next century to face economic hardships, resource wars, etc. from fossil
fuel depletion, that rise to the level of a national security threat, if
this is not already the case.  Aggressive fossil fuel
conservation/alternative energy development taxes thus might be viewed as
critical to the future integrity of the USA as taxes to fund the military.

Even those who favor much lower taxes/less government should consider it
necessary for taxes to specifically address these issues, given the gravity
of the problems.

Other nations are already moving ahead with CO2 taxes.  See CO2 tax
calculator below for United Kingdom vehicles, with other links to info about
CO2 taxes in several nations. The USA, with the most CO2 emissions per
capita by far, is demonstrating egregious irresponsibility on this issue,
though California's historic recent legislation to address global warming is
a promising development.

Below are a few links to info on California's CO2 reduction legislation:



Links below to info on other nations CO2 taxes:




Ted Moffett

On 9/28/06, david sarff <davesway at hotmail.com > wrote:
> Paul , and interested others.
> The fossil fuel issue is a problem that requires resolution. Thank you for
> your efforts.
> In the 80's Honda started selling a small road bike, the Rebel. It had a
> 250
> cc engine. The story I heard was that it was introduced in Japan initially
> because motorcycles over 250 cc enjoyed a whopping huge sin tax. The tax
> percentage increased with cc increase.
> Sounds reasonable to me.
> I suspect in the future our transportation will be controlled through
> registration against  measured carbon output. Much as most states test for
> more immediately toxic emissions at the present time.
> Rules are changing. The two stroke engine emission restrictions have just
> recently radically changed engine design. Shindaiwa www.shindaiwa.com/
>   runs
> a four stroke trimmer engine oiled like a two stroke.
> Smaller engines = Less carbon output.
> I think we need transportation grids with weight class restrictions.
> Example, in cities remove the passenger limit in the carpool lane and
> introduce a weight limit. Two people in a Suburban will never be more
> efficient than one person in a Civic.
> D. Sarff
> >Fellow vision2020-ites,
> >
> >While wandering aimlessly through the internet one day (meaning that I
> >don't remember where I came across it), I found out that Japan has an
> >engine tax.  The smaller and more fuel-efficient the engine, the smaller
> >the tax.  The tax apparently ranges from about $40 to $800 or so
> >annually, iirc.  People who own more than one car would presumably be
> >taxed on both.  In these days of higher gas prices, global warming, and
> >pollution concerns, it seems to me like it could be a good idea for our
> >country to adopt.  We could start with lower numbers and add it in to
> >the registration cost.  That's presuming, I guess, that the registration
> >cost doesn't already include it.  Does anyone know what that amount is
> >comprised of?
> >
> >Any thoughts on this?  Is it a good idea?
> >
> >Paul
> >
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