[Vision2020] Donovan: Liar, Idiot, or both?

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Dick,

You are to character analysis what Donovan is to career counseling.

Kiss yourself off, if you can reach.  Go support torture, since you can live 
with yourself on this.

Sunil


>From: "Dick Sherwin" <rvrcowboy at clearwire.net>
>To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>,        "Sunil Ramalingam" 
><sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Donovan: Liar, Idiot, or both?
>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:59:46 -0700
>
>And now Sunil resorts to calling names and accusing people of character
>assassination just because they are of the opinion that he is supportative
>of those who wish to do harm to our country.  Sounds a little paranoid to
>me.
>Perhaps some of us have scratched a little too close to the core of his 
>real
>personality for comfort.
>
>Sunil expects everyone to agree with him on the definition of torture and
>what constitutes terrorist acts.  I do not agree with him that our country
>has tortured anyone accused of terrorism.
>
>Sunil believes the terrorists are above the rules of the Geneva Conventions
>but, for some strange reason, we should afford those protections to them.
>These terrorists are not directly affiliated with any nation with which we
>have Geneva Convention obligations too.  They operate independently of any
>nation, giving them freedom to ignore treaties and rules of engagement.  To
>insist we have to treat them under the Geneva Convention rules is 
>ludicrous!
>
>Sunil is perfectly free to express his support for these terrorists but he
>does not have the power to dictate what I, or others, believe about these
>people.  Perhaps he should spend more time criticising those who cut off
>heads of people with whom they disagree, or burn churches and murder
>innocents in retalition for cartoons they dislike or statements by the Pope
>they don't agree with.  I, for one, am sick of hearing all the wailing and
>bitching from the Muslim world everytime they feel shunned in some way.
>They need to grow up and join the 21st century.  Perhaps they were never
>taught the "Sticks and stones" story.
>
>Bottom line is, in my post I stated clearly that it was my opinion that
>Sunil was supportive of those who wished to bring grave harm to our nation.
>I have a right to that opinion, just as he has to his opinions.  To accuse
>me of character assassination because of my opinion only reveals Sunil's
>true feelings further.  He feels that anyone who is of a different opinion
>from him shouldn't express their own thoughts.  Sounds a lot like the
>murders he appears to support.
>
>Kiss off Sunil.  I am sick and tired of your crying and bitching.  Your 
>"You
>are picking on me." attitude and your name calling.  You try to present
>yourself as a reasonable person but only bury yourself deeper with each
>post.  We are all just as entitled to our opinions as you are so just get
>over it.
>
>Dick S.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:14 AM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Donovan: Liar, Idiot, or both?
>
>
> > Donovan,
> >
> > First, you are a liar.  You lie that you only attack those who attack 
>you.
> > You launched this recent character assassination, now joined by Dick
> > Sherwin, after I asked you a simple question.
> >
> > You lie about my opinions and statements.  Here, picked at random from 
>the
> > list of links you provided, is one of my posts:
> >
> > 'Dick,
> >
> > Is torture illegal?  Is the President allowed to permit torture?  Are he
>or
> > those who torture in our name immune from prosecution?
> >
> > Sunil'
> >
> > Please explain, if you can, how this is support of terrorists or enemies
>of
> > the United States.  Of course you may be busy lobbying the Senate to
>support
> > the Administration's bill to set up kangaroo courts and permit evidence
> > obtaied by torture right now.  Quick, attack Colin Powell too for 
>opposing
> > torture and the violation of the Geneva Conventions.  Even he can't stay
>on
> > board with this stuff any longer.
> >
> > Dick, your statements simply show you cannot understand the idea that we
> > have the right and duty to stand up for what we believe, and that people
>who
> > love this country and its principles do not necessarily agree with you.
>The
> > road to a totalitarian state will be paved by people who don't 
>understand
> > the need for honest dialog and criticism of government.
> >
> > Donovan, I can see how your maturity and breadth of life experience
> > qualifies you to give career advice.  I shall give it all the attention 
>it
> > deserves.  For my part, I wouldn't put you in charge of cleaning 
>catboxes
>or
> > diapers, work for which you seemed qualified earlier.  You would eat the
> > shit and then spew it on this listserve as you have been doing.
> >
> > When you are no longer a fool, it will show in your posts.  When you can
> > attack my ideas by analysing what I've actually said, I'll be surprised.
> > It's easier for you to lie and proclaim your idiocy than it is to 
>actually
> > do any work.
> >
> > Prove your points or shut up, windbag.
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> >
> > >From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> > >To: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>, 
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sunil and His Defense of Terrorists and
> > >ConvictedChild Molesters
> > >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Sunil,
> > >
> > >  I don't disagree with defending the rights of the  accused. I 
>disagree
> > >with giving any rights at all to convicted and self  admitted child
> > >molesters over the rights of others. If someone is  accused of child
> > >molestation, they should get the best defense  possible. But after 
>that,
> > >shy of a mistrial or rigged trail, lawyers  shouldn't be arguing, in
>court
> > >or on-line that they should be free to  go to another city, 
>unsupervised,
> > >that is FUBAR. To me, that is  supporting Child Molesters over the 
>rights
> > >of children and other  potential victims. I don't care your logic, that
> > >self admitted and  convicted child molesters should have those rights.
> > >PERIOD.
> > >
> > >   Second, I would never support putting you in charge of the nation's
> > >security.  I listed plenty of emails that indicate your position  on
> > >terrorists. It is my opinion, Sunil, that the tone and language of  
>your
> > >emails combined, over time,  indicate you sympathize with the  plight 
>of
> > >the majority of these individuals that wish real harm to  Americans and
> > >Westerns. Others are entitled to look at those 20+ emails  over the 
>last
>3
> > >years and think otherwise. It is my opinion that any  foreigner that
>states
> > >they wish real harm to the United States, its  elected leaders, its
>people,
> > >or its property, and has the ability to  act on that statement, the
> > >military has the duty to detain that  foreigner until her/she is no
>longer
> > >poses a threat. It is called  National Security. National Security and
>the
> > >prevention of an immediate  harm and death of the innocent take
>precedence
> > >over that of individual  freedom of movement of US enemies.
> > >
> > >  Nobody is putting a gun  to your head to represent convicted and
> > >self-admitted child molesters.  That is your choice, and yours only.
>Nobody
> > >is forcing you to  sympathize with the rights of people who say "Death 
>to
> > >America". You  could choose to represent the elderly, disabled, or
>millions
> > >of other  poor children that are wronged everyday in this country with 
>no
> > >shortage of work and just as little pay.
> > >
> > >   You spend  way to much time on Vision2020 defending these people.
> > >
> > >   But again, I am not going to argue with you. As you could argue the
> > >number of the dimples on a golf ball only number two, that is what you
>do.
> > >I am not good at legal argumentation, I cannot even spell half the  
>time.
> > >But I can tell you my opinion is that convicted child molesters  should
>not
> > >go anywhere unsupervised and that terrorists wish harm and  can will
>bring
> > >harm to the US should be set free because of some legal  argument, tell
> > >that to victims of 911. Your statements, so frequently  and intensely, 
>as
> > >you do on a public forum, in my opinion, is defending  them, not their
> > >actions, but them.
> > >
> > >   Best,
> > >
> > >   _DJA
> >
> >
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