[Vision2020] New Senate Report is full of shit....

Mon Sep 11 18:36:52 PDT 2006

This has got to be it for me tonight BUT what is it about personal responsibility that is so difficult for (some) conservatives to accept?

CBS news reports that, since the beginning of the Iraq war, over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/28/iraq_deaths041028.html

Forget about the original -- now clearly false -- excuse of some connection between Iraq and 9/11. Just think of the second excuse: ending the Saddam killing machine. Fact is, we simply did not do any better in caring for the citizens of that country than he did.

Any way that you cut it, the Iraq War was and is a failed US policy, a failure that counts against the Bush administration and NO ONE ELSE. Just admit it and lets try to move on. If we don't admit, an even worse situation is soon headed our way in Iran.

--
Joe Campbell

---- Tony Simpson <tonytime at clearwire.net> wrote: 

=============
Ted, remember that we ALL thought Saddam had those WMDs.  He consistently thwarted the inspectors and flouted the U.N. mandates.  BOTH democrats AND republicans voted in favor of authorizing the use of force.  We were all victimized by a less than sterling intelligence apparatus, but mind you, it was DEMOCRATS, specifically FRANK CHURCH, who castrated our intelligence capabilities years ago.  For you to place all the blame for the resulting intel problems at the feet of the Bush administration is either disingenuous or simply ignorant.

Won't you research a bit more thoroughly before advocating on behalf of America's enemies in the future?

Peace out.

--Tony
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Moffett 
  To: Jim Meyer 
  Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New Senate Report Confirms Bush lied about IraqConnection al-Qaida, Lied about justification for the war

  Jim et. al.

  I heard about the ABC docudrama on terrorism, and the factual errors it contains.  As long as people know it is fictionalized, that's one thing, but many may assume it is based on solid vetted historical research.

  It is amazing how many US citizens still believe that the 9/11 attacks were related to Saddam and his supposed connections to Al Qaeda... And disturbing to witness how easily public opinion can be manipulated, indeed is still being manipulated, by half truths and falsehoods from the government. 

  The "Weapons of Mass Distraction" function very well!

  Ted Moffett

  On 9/11/06, Jim Meyer <m1e2y3e4 at moscow.com> wrote: 
    Ted,
    I am embarrassed that nobody else responded to you.

    The current number of Americans killed in Iraq is 2666. The total number 
    of casualties of Americans is about 20,000. Every vision2020 member
    should listen to Sen Carl Leven explain the timeline in the report. The
    report is damning even with the redactions. I am sure you can Sen Leven 
    on the CSPAN website. You can also find the entire report.

    The facts are that Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with  911.  There
    were no significant weapons of mass destruction and due diligence would
    have made it obvious even at the time. In 2003, 70% of Americans
    believed there was a link between Saddam and
    911.(http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm ).
    Today that figure is still 43%
    (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/iraq.poll/index.html). Meanwhile
    the war profiteers are making a killing, literally and figuratively. 

    The American people still believe the lie. They believe that Bush's
    illegal war of aggression in Iraq, estimated to have killed between
    40,000 and 250,000 Iraqi people, not to mention our own people, is
    somehow connected to 911. You may close your ears and eyes, but the lie 
    remains. The truth is that our president and his cabinet should be
    impeached, tried for treason, and tried as a war criminal on a multitude
    of levels. And we are NOT safer.....

    This past weekend and Monday, with the two-part Disney/ABC docu-drama 
    about 911 and Bush's free 15 minute speech about 911 on Monday, the
    propaganda lie will continue. I am glad you are not one of the 43% that
    believe it and I hope other vision2020 members also don't support it.
    Our country will only survive if people wake to the facts. To help
    others wake up, I challenge them to watch this link in
    entirety.http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/41418/ . The anger shown is
    appropriate to the circumstances. If you are any less angry, you are 
    either a stooge, a sheep, or lemming.

    It is time to get angry. It is not a pleasant thing--but it is time
    because--our country, as we know it, depends on it.

    I want to be fair, can anyone give me a rational reason why Bush should 
    not be tried for treason? For lying about getting us into a war that
    killed 2666 Americans and wounded 20,000, waging an illegal war of
    aggression, and for not upholding the constitution?

    Jim

    Today's Topics:
    >    1. New Senate Report On Iraq Gets Scant Attention (Ted Moffett)
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    > From: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>
    > Subject: [Vision2020] New Senate Report On Iraq Gets Scant Attention
    > To: "Vision 2020" < vision2020 at moscow.com>
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    > It discloses for the first time an October 2005 CIA assessment that prior to 
    > the war Saddams government did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a
    > blind eye toward Zarqawi and his associates. Bush and other administration
    > officials have said that the presence of Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was 
    > evidence of a connection between Saddams government and al-Qaida.
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    > The long-awaited report, said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., a member of the
    > committee, is a devastating indictment of the Bush-Cheney administrations 
    > unrelenting, misleading and deceptive attempts to link Saddam to al-Qaida.
    > The report, two years in the making, comes out amid a series of Bush
    > speeches stressing that pursuing the military effort in Iraq is crucial to 
    > winning the war on terrorism, and two months before that policy will be
    > tested in midterm elections.
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