[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: [Vision2020) DEATH TO VERMIN!

[Paul Rumelhart]

Which future victims are we talking about?  The guy's cellmates?  We 
can't know the future.  Try this one on for size: what if one of the 
people that we've executed wrongly in the past 50 years would have found 
an inexpensive cure for cancer if he hadn't been locked up and his life 
taken away from him.

But that's beside the point.  My main point is that we know that killing 
others is wrong, because we are trying to punish murderers for it.  So 
why stoop to their level?  Why not take the high road and just lock them 
up for life?  I don't care if they brood about their wrongdoings for 
years or just don't give a crap, but at least they are removed from 
society where they can (hopefully) do little harm.

If someone is in horrible pain 24/7 with no hope of recovery and you 
have their fully-informed consent, then maybe a "merciful killing" is 
justified.  But don't hang someone because you're afraid of what they 
might do someday if they could find a way to escape.  Thats just 
rationalizing some need for vengeance, in my opinion.

Paul

Tony wrote:

> Oh no Paul, my intention when advocating the summary execution of 
> violent predators had nothing to do with revenge, but every thing to 
> do with PROTECTING THEIR FUTURE VICTIMS FROM ATTACK.  Not all killing 
> is wrong or inappropriate Paul; there is such a thing as justifiable 
> and indeed, merciful killing.  To execute a killer is to SAVE his 
> future victim's LIVES!
>  
> What a positive thing.  Won't you get on board the peace train?
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Paul Rumelhart <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
>     *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:44 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] [Vision2020) DEATH TO VERMIN!
>
>> Until you are able to muster the courage to dispense with predatory vermin 
>> such as Duncan, you will continue to be part of the problem.
>>
>> Frustrated by the lily-livered left,  -T
>
>Like being stone-cold, barbaric, emotionless, revengeful killers is something to aspire to.  Me, I'll stick to trying to treat people humanely, *despite* what they might or might not deserve.
>
>While I have no doubt about his guilt in this particular case, I'm also against the death penalty because of all the innocent people we keep finding we've put to death as a country based on DNA evidence. I haven't always thought this way, but every time I hear about another death penalty case where the wrong man or woman was convicted I sway towards the idea of life in prison without parole despite the cost.
>
>Paul
>    
>
>
>     P.S.  "Death To Vermin" wouldn't be a reference to Vernor Vinge's
>     "A Fire Upon the Deep", would it?  Just curious because that's
>     where I get my userid (godshatter).
>
>     Tony wrote:
>
>>Actually whayman, killing sociopathic predators does indeed, in a very real 
>>sense, bring someone back.  By acting as a deterrent to future aggression 
>>and rendering the problem of recidivism moot, capital punishment would 
>>preempt thousands of innocent deaths annually.
>>
>>Until you are able to muster the courage to dispense with predatory vermin 
>>such as Duncan, you will continue to be part of the problem.
>>
>>Frustrated by the lily-livered left,  -T
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: <whayman at adelphia.net>
>>To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Duncan plea deal
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>>I would agree with anyone that Duncan tests the limits much more than even 
>>>more than Malvo in the DC area. What Duncan apparently did lies outside 
>>>the human scope of sympathy. But even within this absolutely and 
>>>disgustingly twisted psychopathic scenario, I still cannot advocate a 
>>>penalty of death for anyone. Duncan included.
>>>
>>>Killing, as we all know, brings back no one. The argument of the death 
>>>penalty as resolution and closure I find closer to vengeance than justice.
>>>
>>>Please don't take me wrong; I don't think rehab etc. is the issue in this 
>>>case. I do hope that the rest of his life is spent anonymously and ignobly 
>>>incarcerated.
>>>
>>>Warren Hayman
>>>
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