[Vision2020] Market Over Flooded

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 4 20:49:34 PDT 2006 

J,

Where are all of the people moving to Moscow living at then, I doubt its all 
boarding houses. I too talk to the local property owners and am willing to 
bet, a hell of a lot more than you. Most will not say that apartments are 
30- 50% vacant. In fact if your statement is true then why on gods green 
earth are contractors willing to sell the farm to build more and more 
duplexes and condos?

Please J, your assumptions don't scare me.

Matt


>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded
>Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:29:49 -0700
>
>Uh, yes I did talk to the property managing entities in Moscow...those were
>their numbers, not mine.
>
>Just because ONE segment is doing ok, does not make them all doing ok.
>Remember, we lost a good number of students this year and if you talk to 
>the
>housing people, THEY are not thrilled with the lack of students choosing to
>go else-where for their housing.
>
>I do not believe we need additional housing when it is obvious we have so
>many houses up for sale right now and so many apartments and dorms that are
>empty.
>
>And Schwitzer is only ONE employer.  They certainly can not continue to 
>hire
>ALL the people that need work in this area.  Seems to me that's relying on 
>a
>single employer to cure the ills of the employment segment...isn't that 
>what
>has been happening with the UI?  Look what happened there.
>
>You can disagree, that's fine.  And to make you feel better, I do not
>personally feel those new apts on "A" street are all that ugly.  At least
>they are not falling apart and they seemingly are clean.
>
>
>J  :]
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
> >To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded
> >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:25:38 -0700
> >
> >J,
> >
> >J, hold you assumptions for a minute. Do you ask owners of big complexes
> >around town and ask them if their apartments are empty or full? Or maybe 
>as
> >you would say 35% unvacant. Do you realize that schweitzer is employing
> >more
> >and more all the time? More and more people have found Idahos' beauty?
> >
> >Maybe just maybe the market has hit a two month downfall (which any
> >rightminded person knew would happen), this however, does not mean we
> >should
> >not strive towards more growth.
> >
> >Just another note. I have spoken to the owner of all those "ugly
> >apartments"
> >on A street, that people on the vizz love to complain about. He has told 
>me
> >numerous times those apartments are full 99% of the time. State facts J 
>not
> >assumptions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: [Vision2020] Market Over Flooded
> > >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:21:51 -0700
> > >
> > >Hey, good question.
> > >
> > >Follow-up question:  Since the housing market around town right now 
>seems
> > >to be flooded with houses for sale and rentals/apartments at 30-50%
> >vacant,
> > >not to mention the dorms at almost 35% vacancy and the enrollment at UI
> > >down and NO new manufacturing or large business moving into the area
> > >anytime soon - with all that going on, why in all that is Green do we
> >need
> > >another housing development that would put 45-70 new homes on the 
>already
> > >saturated market, especially since they will START at $200K?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >J  :]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
> > >>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] downtown: Moscow/Pullman Hwy. Mall?
> > >>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:03:06 -0700
> > >>
> > >>There seems to be a lot of new, empty shop and office space available.
> > >>
> > >>Does anybody have a fact based theory about why this is so?
> > >>
> > >>W.
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: Ted Moffett
> > >>To: roger hayes
> > >>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:20 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] downtown: Moscow/Pullman Hwy. Mall?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Roger wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   The question I pose is, why when we open more lanes of travel does 
>it
> > >>   seem to breed more cars?  One would think having more lanes of 
>travel
> > >>   would dilute the volume. The movie axiom seems to apply. "If you
> >build
> > >>   it, they will come."
> > >>
> > >>   Roger Hayes
> > >>
> > >>And as often happens on Vision2020, no one yet has addressed your
> > >>explicitly posed question.
> > >>
> > >>One way to view why bigger roads and highways encourage more traffic 
>is
> > >>from Business 101.  Businesses look to find a spot to situate where 
>they
> > >>expect they can grow, so they take a look at the potential traffic 
>flow,
> > >>i.e. customer flow.  So when a road or highway is expanded to allow 
>more
> > >>traffic, businesses will locate there hoping to draw more customers,
> > >>which, if the business advertises successfully and/or has services
> >and/or
> > >>products the public wants, is exactly what happens, expanding traffic.
> > >>
> > >>I'm not sure this explains an increase in traffic, if this has 
>happened,
> > >>on the new Washington St. section, but perhaps the increased speed of
> > >>traffic is explained by the nicer smoother surface encouraging a 
>little
> > >>more weight on the gas pedal.
> > >>
> > >>But who doubts for a moment that the proposed "mall" on the
> >Moscow/Pullman
> > >>Hwy., on the Washington St. side, was planned with the expectation 
>that
> > >>once the new expanded Moscow/Pullman Hwy. was completed, the traffic 
>and
> > >>customer flow to the shopping center would be much larger than it 
>would
> > >>have been with the old Moscow/Pullman Hwy?
> > >>
> > >>I recall looking up the plans for this proposed mall, which was
> >discussed
> > >>in some detail on Vision2020, on a website that I cannot locate now...
> > >>
> > >>Does anyone know if the mall on the Washington St. side of the
> > >>Moscow/Pullman Hwy. is still going forward?
> > >>
> > >>Ted Moffett
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > 
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