[Vision2020] Debate or Coward?

g. crabtree jampot at adelphia.net
Wed Oct 4 06:34:36 PDT 2006 

Let's see if I've got this straight. Mike, Ralph, Joe, Tom, & Jackie all 
seem to think that it would be as amusing as a barrel of monkeys to get 
together with Doug Wilson and impugn his character, ministry and general 
overall fitness to draw breath and call it a debate. Generally debates 
revolve around a clearly defined topic. Here there appears to be no topic 
other than "we hate you and would like to cast aspersions at you in a public 
forum." It's not a debate when someone is made to stand and answer for 
whatever silly, spurious charge someone can conjure up. Imagine my surprise 
if Doug doesn't fall all over himself in an effort to accept your generous 
offer. I mean really, what would be the up side for him? It's not like there 
is an open mind in the group so achieving consensus would appear to be out 
of the question and any greater enlightenment for the community at large 
would be vanishingly small. Barrel of monkeys is correct. Wilson vs.

gc




From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
To: <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <metzler at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?


>
> J,
>
>
> 1. If you are trying to convince the public about how Doug is such a bad
> man, why can't you tell your real name?
>
> 2. If I am mistaken why don't you just clarify this by telling us here on
> the vision what your address is.
>
> I can't get over the fact that someone hates another so much that they 
> will
> devote a majority of their viss time on Doug, without being sincere. 
> Please
> tell me I'm wrong, because your getting really creepy. If I am wrong, I am
> sorry. Until that point though, a guy has to assume the worst at this 
> point.
> Just as I assume the worst about what you are saying. Please just clarify.
> If you would like talk to me off of the viss.
>
> Matt
>
>>From: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>>To: metzler at moscow.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>>Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:37:47 -0700
>>
>>In order for Dougie-BOY to be a coward, he'd have to be in a position to
>>run
>>and have the ability to run.  He is and has neither.
>>
>>Dougie is just a punk.  He thinks if he says something long enough (in 
>>this
>>case, since 1993) and loud enough and to enough people (his whipped
>>do(u)gs), that people will just give it up and say "Ok, you win."
>>
>>Dougie's non-position of one of feigning a fight behind the
>>sportsboyzfromthekirkhood and the Do(u)gs.  This is simpler for him 
>>because
>>they get to take all the heat, which he in turn tells them ""Tis nothing,
>>my
>>boyz.  Just a bunch of religious persecutors.  Pay them no heed."  Then he
>>stands there and says "What fight?  I don't see no stinking fight.  I
>>certainly didn't start one."
>>
>>He had no ability to run because he would have to have legs to stand on 
>>and
>>he knows he does not.  He is NOT being persecuted or picked on or
>>slandered.
>>   The truth of who and what Dougie is is what others, here and on other
>>blogs, repeatedly show.  He is no Christian (with a capital "C") and the
>>only truths he knows are the ones he makes up and has rattling around in
>>his
>>pointed little head.
>>
>>If all else fails, he files false police reports against people who HAVE 
>>NO
>>REASON or WANT to do anything aginst him to prove his point of being
>>harassed in an effort to force them to leave.  Heck - its worked before,
>>why
>>not keep doing it to others?
>>
>>To make things interesting, Dougie, why not respond to Michael or Ralph or
>>Miss Keely?  Why not have people read or listen to you stumble over
>>yourself
>>trying to defend the indefensible?  Maybe if you were to do that, people
>>WOULD get enough of *your* crap and let you go on your merry way straight
>>to
>>the little rubber room that is reserved for you at the Psych Ward.
>>
>>On the other had, if you *were* to run from yet another fight that you 
>>HAVE
>>started, you may be able to loose some of that girth you have acquired in
>>recent years.
>>
>>The line in the sand has been drawn, me boy-o...go for it!
>>
>>
>>J  :]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>
>> >To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >Subject: [Vision2020] Debate or Coward?
>> >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:13:17 -0700
>> >
>> >Doug,
>> >
>> >I seek to disagree. Doug Wilson has been seeking to avoid debating me 
>> >for
>>9
>> >months about anything just after he bagged on our Credenda debate 
>> >towards
>> >the end.  He refused to complete the debate and finally have it 
>> >published
>>-
>> >he was dodging my arguments with subterfuge and it would have been an
>> >embarrassment to him. And then he did everything he could (including
>>lying
>> >and bullying) to dodge answering my criticisms on his blog. He has
>>likewise
>> >sought to clamp down on debate over this Ligonier law suit and refuses 
>> >to
>> >follow through with debate or answer important questions or challenges
>>from
>> >many people; the same occurred over the RC Sproul Jr Scandal this last
>> >summer; and the same happened regarding the Sitler issue.  It is very
>>clear
>> >who is running from debate and very clear who Wilson's current debate
>> >partners are.  Posting a letter from 1993 to prove otherwise is a sad
>> >commentary to how bad the situation has become. But I wish Wilson was
>>just
>> >a
>> >coward.
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >Sir Ralph,
>> >
>> >Maybe you could finally respond and take Pastor Wilson up on this 14 
>> >year
>> >old request.
>> >
>> >http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor
>> ><http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2914>
>> >&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2914
>> >
>> >It would be good to get it all out in the open.
>> >
>> >lemeno, Doug!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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